Babers Clean Slate Philosophy Good or Bad?

[AlbOrange]

Curious what everyone thinks!

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootb...m_last_season_3_thing.html#incart_river_index

But as early preparations continue for the 2016 season, first-year Syracuse football coach Dino Babers won't be doing any type of film evaluation on the players he has in the program.

"I will not assess what we have" Babers said in an interview with CNYCentral that aired following Sunday's Super Bowl.

"When you watch the old tape you're watching old coaches coach a certain way. What I want to do is have a clean slate with all of our new players because it's a new coaching staff and I don't want to see them doing the old. I want to see them doing the new.

"Although there's some coaches on the staff that will watch previous game tape, I will not do that. I want all young men to have a clean slate and a fair chance. I think that's the best way when you're starting a new program."

 

[OrangePA]

I don't agree with it all.

If you have information you use it - the more the better.

The film will demonstrate who plays hard, who quits, who has game speed, etc.

Greg Robinson didn't look at film and I thought at the time that it was a big mistake.

 

[Chris02M]

I don't agree with it all.

If you have information you use it - the more the better.

The film will demonstrate who plays hard, who quits, who has game speed, etc.

Greg Robinson didn't look at film and I thought at the time that it was a big mistake.

someone on staff will check out the film and relay any useful info to coach

 

[RF2044]

I don't agree with it all.

If you have information you use it - the more the better.

The film will demonstrate who plays hard, who quits, who has game speed, etc.

Greg Robinson didn't look at film and I thought at the time that it was a big mistake.

What information is he going to glean watching players playing in a different system, with different coaching? Answer: nothing that wouldn't be better observed with his own eyes, when he has the team / players doing the things that HE wants them to do, and that his system demands that they do.

Clean slate, and he'll get his evaluation up close and personal once spring ball commences. And you can rest assured that THOSE sessions will be taped / analyzed at great length.

 

[PAcuse]

They clearly have had someone watch film. HCDB said to Dungey that he was told he was really good (don't remember the exact quote).
HCDB wants to see what players look like doing the things he wants them to do, not what FHCSS and staff had them do. I like it.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

He'll learn a lot about Custis and Enoicy by watching last year's films.

 

[PhatOrange]

He'll learn a lot about Custis and Enoicy by watching last year's films.

I'm sure there are volumns of practice film

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I don't think it will make a SHITE bit of difference either way. H e will learn by watching practice and current film practice everyday who can play in his system and who can't.

 

[PhatOrange]

As a coach or as a player I would want and would advocate a clean slate. This seems like a no brainer to me. Why would you want to go into anything with preconceived biases?

As a coach I'd want to make my own decisions base on what I WANTED.

As a player it's fresh start.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Man, and we thought Marrone was decisive.

 

[blizz]

Both sides have merit. I think more than anything, its a decision by Babers rooted in fairness. He knows that his opinion carries the most weight when everything is said and done, he has the most influence. I think it signals an admirable desire on his part to be as objective in his decision making as possible. On the other hand, evaluating players in practice has its own limitations. No matter what you do, it's very difficult to replicate the intensity of a game situation. Guys always hold back in practice, even if they don't realize it. The speed of the game changes, guys react slower, make decisions slower without that adrenaline pump that they can't just flip the switch and turn on. It can disguise the gamers. Remember they said that about Hunt. After they put him in against Northwestern and he marched them down the field and punched it in, everyone was like 'Coach, why was this guy on the bench for the last two games?' Shaf responded with something about how he didn't know Hunt was such a gamer. He didn't know he would be such am effective runner because they could never truly evaluate his running in practice.

 

[Scooch]

Robinson did it, and since he turned out to be the most incompetent coach I've ever seen for a team that I root for, retroactively I determined that was a huge mistake.

But Babers clearly knows what he's doing. So if he thinks this is for the best, then I'm on board. I assume he's taken a similar approach at his last 2 head coaching jobs, and those turned out just fine.

 

[MSOrange]

My initial thought was I wasn't a big fan of that approach. But I'm starting to see and agree with the other perspective that it's best not to have any preconceived biases and just go with a fresh start since it is a totally different system. I guess I wouldn't want a new boss at work to come in with any preconceived ideas about me now that I think about it from that perspective.

 

[Alsacs]

#InDinoItrust
Everything this guy has done this far as SU coach has been awesome and given me optimism.
Let him do whatever he wants.

 

[CarolinaCuse]

So let me get this straight HCDB hasn't watched any film on this team? Not buying it. He had to have looked at game film just to determine the athletes he has to work with. Do I think he broke down the film? Probably not. His statement is probably a public pitch to his players that (A) it's a clean slate so you better work hard and (b) we're investing our time in our system...get with the program.

 

[tipphill]

I don't agree with it all.

If you have information you use it - the more the better.

The film will demonstrate who plays hard, who quits, who has game speed, etc.

Greg Robinson didn't look at film and I thought at the time that it was a big mistake.

u can at least assess the athletcism (sp), speed and commitment of the athlete--that is a bs answer by him

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

So let me get this straight HCDB hasn't watched any film on this team? Not buying it. He had to have looked at game film just to determine the athletes he has to work with. Do I think he broke down the film? Probably not. His statement is probably a public pitch to his players that (A) it's a clean slate so you better work hard and (b) we're investing our time in our system...get with the program.

I wouldn't watch an attorney at a house closing to figure out if she could represent me in front of a jury.

 

[tipphill]

What information is he going to glean watching players playing in a different system, with different coaching? Answer: nothing that wouldn't be better observed with his own eyes, when he has the team / players doing the things that HE wants them to do, and that his system demands that they do.

Clean slate, and he'll get his evaluation up close and personal once spring ball commences. And you can rest assured that THOSE sessions will be taped / analyzed at great length.

athletic skill,speed etc---DEAD WRONG---not to look at it

 

[tipphill]

someone on staff will check out the film and relay any useful info to coach

great --do not study before the examine---rely on someone else

 

[Dmcnabbrules]

This will be Babers third time taking over a program,I think I trust him a little more then Greg Robinson. Some people forget this is a very different hire then P, Robinson, Marrone or Shaf. Babers has a system who give a crap about how guys looked in totally different systems.

 

[tipphill]

As a coach or as a player I would want and would advocate a clean slate. This seems like a no brainer to me. Why would you want to go into anything with preconceived biases?

As a coach I'd want to make my own decisions base on what I WANTED.

As a player it's fresh start.

potential???

 

[rocklloyd]

Why can't he evaluate them the same way he just evaluated all the incoming recruits? I'm assuming all of them played under a different system with different coaches. I'm not buying his claim. As someone mentioned, people will whisper in his ear so he'll know what he has. I think this was said to keep some players engaged during the transition.

 

[tipphill]

Why can't he evaluate them the same way he just evaluated all the incoming recruits? I'm assuming all of them played under a different system with different coaches. I'm not buying his claim. As someone mentioned, people will whisper in his ear so he'll know what he has. I think this was said to keep some players engaged during the transition.

live game performance

 

[721Comstock]

He's 2-for-2 in taking over a program, doing it his way, and being successful.

I'm gonna defer to the guy who has the proven track record, as to how he wants to go about doing it again.
It CLEARLY works for him.

Given that he's pretty much said that everybody has an even chance, why cloud that with what they did (or did not) do in a prior year, running a totally different system for other coaches?
Talent and effort will rise to the top - it always does.

For the players - it literally IS a clean slate. They can effectively have a do-over if they're not happy with what they've done/how they've been used prior.

 

[dollarbill44]

great --do not study before the examine---rely on someone else

You do realize they will have practices before the first game, right? The games would be akin to exams and practices to class and studying. So, I'm not really sure you picked a good analogy or you think he won't watch the team at all before the first game.