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Message: [QUOTE="KaiserUEO, post: 2013669, member: 272"] I have a different take on steroids than most. It's a cream rises to the top, take. Bagwell falls in there. I assume they all did, but some were 'steroid creations'...like Sosa, McGwire, papi and to a degree palmiero. Others like Clemens and Bonds used them to inflate otherwise HOF stats. So whether he or the rest of the league took them or not, he would've risen to the top. If that puts him in the Hall, then so be it. [/QUOTE]