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Baseball Hall of Fame voting

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by MSOrange, Dec 30, 2016.

  1. MSOrange

    MSOrange 2016 Iggy Winner

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  2. KaiserUEO

    KaiserUEO Living Legend

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    Multiple threads on here will show me as a huge advocate for Raines.

    If he doesn't get in...

    Bagwell?? Fine, I guess.

    But Raines was a superstar.

    No Rickey...and Raines would've been in 10 years ago.
     
  3. MSOrange

    MSOrange 2016 Iggy Winner

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    Totally agree that Raines is long overdue. Really the only case that can be made against Bagwell is how you feel about any suspicions about PEDs. He wasn't in the Mitchell report and never failed a test. Other than that, the stats show he should be in imho.
     
  4. KaiserUEO

    KaiserUEO Living Legend

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    I have a different take on steroids than most.

    It's a cream rises to the top, take.

    Bagwell falls in there.

    I assume they all did, but some were 'steroid creations'...like Sosa, McGwire, papi and to a degree palmiero. Others like Clemens and Bonds used them to inflate otherwise HOF stats.

    So whether he or the rest of the league took them or not, he would've risen to the top.

    If that puts him in the Hall, then so be it.
     
  5. Cusefan0307

    Cusefan0307 Hall of Fame

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    As a yankee fan the steroid issue annoys me in regards to guys like Bagwell, Palmeiro, and Sosa. I'm 99% sure the middle of the order of the late 90's/early oughts yankees didn't take steroids. If Bagwell gets in then guys like Bernie, Tino, and O'Neill may have been Hof'ers themselves if they went on the juice. Guy's who did it the right way get penalized.
     
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  6. cuseattle

    cuseattle All Conference

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    Those early 80s expos teams were fun to watch. Raines, Dawson, Carter, Wallach and a bunch Im forgetting. The ones listed woul all have 150 mil contracts these days
     
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    Marsh01 Living Legend

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    I agree. This whole argument is stupid
     
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    donniesyracuse All Conference

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    You have no reason to be that sure.
     
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    Briancuse Living Legend

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    Bernie, Tino, O"Neil all very good players not hof, the question for me is Posada, I don't think he is a hof, but I think he has a chance.
     
  10. dasher

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    Would you have thought that of Andy P?
     
  11. donniesyracuse

    donniesyracuse All Conference

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    The Mitchell Report was full of mediocre players that don't fit the stereotypical PED profile. To declare that your 99% sure that anyone in that era was clean reeks of wishful thinking and naivety.
     
  12. cuseattle

    cuseattle All Conference

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    Shln soo choo got more than a hundred mil, right. Just extrapolating.
     
  13. br801

    br801 All American

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    Bagwell should be in already. Great player.

    Not sure if he will, but would love to see Vlad Guerrero go in on the first ballot.
     
  14. Bayside44

    Bayside44 Moderator Staff Member

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    Clemens was on the way out before the juice. F that hole.
     
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  15. KaiserUEO

    KaiserUEO Living Legend

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    What u folks think of Sheffield??

    Very close to Bags # wise.

    Has him in power I think.

    And Pettitte, took HGH in the off season to help recover from an injury.

    HOF Pettitte
     
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    Briancuse Living Legend

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    I think Sheffield is pretty close, I would put Mussina in before Pettite.
     
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    KaiserUEO Living Legend

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    agree on both.

    But if Moose gets in, Pettitte is a lock.

    Hardware
     
  18. Briancuse

    Briancuse Living Legend

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    I'm not sure Pettite is a hof, I was actually against Mussina at first, but have come around on him after taking a closer look at him.
     
  19. OburgOrange

    OburgOrange All American

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    I stopped watching baseball when the Expos were robbed of the 84 WS because of the strike. They were the best team in baseball
     
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  20. KaiserUEO

    KaiserUEO Living Legend

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    Let me put it to you this way...if Pettitte was a Dallas Cowboy, he'd be a HOFer, but because he was a New York Yankee...he may not be.

    The bias is weird in baseball.

    Not saying that because u like the pokes, I say that as a fan of football/baseball who sees how players of teams are thought of.
     
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