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Message: [QUOTE="Alsacs, post: 2020578, member: 652"] Bagwell was a twig in the Red Sox organization. They traded him because he didn't have power. He went to Houston for Larry Anderson and got huge. I think he was a steroid guy. Bonds and Clemens we know when they started. Clemens was in 1997 after Dan Duqette said he was in the twilight of his career and he went to Toronto. Brian McNamee Bonds started in 1999 after watching McGuire and Sosa. Balco testimony shows this. Both of these guys were HOFers without the steroids. They just put numbers that made them statistically the greatest HR hitter and RHP of alltime. Bagwell IMO doesn't hit 500 HR without steroids. I think he shouldn't make it. [/QUOTE]