BCS Poll Question

[TexanMark]

If we go to a Nine Game ACC schedule that only leaves 3 openings a season. I see us keeping of Meadowlands Games for the Big National Teams approx every other year.

In the other other years whom do we play?
I see Cuse trying to schedule 2 games every year with winnable MAC/1AA games so we have 1 BCS game to add every year. You can make multiple selections.

 

[DNABB5]

one BCS

one mid-FCS team (like Toledo or Directional Michigan)

Colgate

 

[bnoro]

Name-Brand BCS program (Mich, PSU, Stanford)
Average BCS school (Minny, RU, UConn, NW, Kentucky, Vandy)
Non-BCS D1 (directional Mich, Akron, Toledo, Tulane, Temple)

No 1-AA's. I'm sick of that, I want our schedule to be a reason kids want to come here.

 

[Marsh01]

I never...ever...ever want to see a D-1AA team on the schedule again. EVER

EVER

 

[CuseLegacy]

I would love to see us play Army again, but please no more Colgate.

 

[sufan]

If we go to a Nine Game ACC schedule that only leaves 3 openings a season. I see us keeping of Meadowlands Games for the Big National Teams approx every other year.

In the other other years whom do we play?
I see Cuse trying to schedule 2 games every year with winnable MAC/1AA games so we have 1 BCS game to add every year. You can make multiple selections.

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The schedule going forward with 9 ACC teams plus a high profile Meadowlands game is an incredible base.

Perhaps the Meadowlands team agrees to visit SU in a 4 game mix: using PSU as an example: PSU, SU, Meadowlands, PSU or perhaps link a home, home, Meadowlands game to an SU BB game.

The 2d OOC game should be RU or UConn as an interesting regional opponent that fans and alumni might travel to. Other schools might include a NW type school.

As a 3d OOC game, perhaps Army or Navy.

Hopefully no more mid-west teams like Akron or Toledo.

From a Big East perspective: I don't see any reason to ever play teams like BSU, San Diego, Cinn, UL, UCF, USF, Houston, SMU or WVU.

 

[rrlbees]

1 elite BCS team. 1 other BCS team and a Mac team.

Sent from my DROIDX

 

[sutomcat]

If we go to a Nine Game ACC schedule that only leaves 3 openings a season. I see us keeping of Meadowlands Games for the Big National Teams approx every other year.

In the other other years whom do we play?
I see Cuse trying to schedule 2 games every year with winnable MAC/1AA games so we have 1 BCS game to add every year. You can make multiple selections.

A couple of things...

It makes no sense to schedule games in the Meadowlands unless you are targeting NJ as a recruiting area. NYC doesn't have enough players to justify screwing the local fans and destroying the home field advantage.

If we are going to play these games in Jersey, hire an assistant coach who can recruit there successfully. We have to have at least one coach on the staff with a background in and a strong track at recruiting in New Jersey. Especially Northern New Jersey. Failure to do this to date is, IMHO, one of DM's biggest mistakes.

I think the Meadowlands scheduling was driven in large part by money concerns. They wanted/needed to get a big guaranteed payday to ensure the program had a solid source of revenue (regardless of whatever the record might be a given season). With the move to the ACC, the desperate need for additional revenue is greatly reduced.

I am okay with playing games there, primarily for recruiting purposes, but I would only do schedule these games as neutral site games. We should not be willing to play at another school's home field in order to get them to play at the Meadowlands, with no return game in the Dome. A 3 game series, where each team plays home and away and the third game is played at the Meadowlands, is also fine...I have no problems with that.

If we can schedule games in the Meadowlands as outlined above, I am fine with playing a game there every year. In general, I would like to play one game against a top notch BCS team (we would presumably always play one in a game at the Meadowlands), another game against a decent BCS program, and another game against a bad team...a D1AA school or a MAC type school.

We are not going to get 2 for 1s or 3 for 1s with MAC schools anymore, but I am okay with home and homes as we can travel to their stadiums pretty easily (especially Akron, Kent and UB) and it helps us recruit in the Ohio/Michigan areas where we are now having some success.

While I would like the convenience of going to road games in East Hartford and Piscataway, I don't think it is our self interest to play UConn or Rutgers in football anymore once we leave the Big East. And I don't expect that to happen, unless it is part of a compromise to allow Syracuse to leave the Big East early.

 

[GFTakedown]

Rotation of MAC schools(Toledo, Akron, Temple, Buffalo) - H/H/A series
Yearly Rotation of some BE teams (UConn, Rutgers, USF/UCF when not playing Miami/FSU in Florida)- H/A series
Yearly Rotation of other teams - (ND, West Virginia, Penn State, Army, Texas, USC, tOSU, Michigan, Navy, Tennessee)-Meadowlands/Yankee Stadium series

There is no reason to play the following teams anymore.
Cincy- we seem to shifting our recruiting away from the Midwest
Louisville- same as Cincy
East Carolina- with UNC, NCst, and Duke dealing with the same recruiting ground

 

[sufan]

A couple of things...

It makes no sense to schedule games in the Meadowlands unless you are targeting NJ as a recruiting area. NYC doesn't have enough players to justify screwing the local fans and destroying the home field advantage.

If we are going to play these games in Jersey, hire an assistant coach who can recruit there successfully. We have to have at least one coach on the staff with a background in and a strong track at recruiting in New Jersey. Especially Northern New Jersey. Failure to do this to date is, IMHO, one of DM's biggest mistakes.

I think the Meadowlands scheduling was driven in large part by money concerns. They wanted/needed to get a big guaranteed payday to ensure the program had a solid source of revenue (regardless of whatever the record might be a given season). With the move to the ACC, the desperate need for additional revenue is greatly reduced.

I am okay with playing games there, primarily for recruiting purposes, but I would only do schedule these games as neutral site games. We should not be willing to play at another school's home field in order to get them to play at the Meadowlands, with no return game in the Dome. A 3 game series, where each team plays home and away and the third game is played at the Meadowlands, is also fine...I have no problems with that.

If we can schedule games in the Meadowlands as outlined above, I am fine with playing a game there every year. In general, I would like to play one game against a top notch BCS team (we would presumably always play one in a game at the Meadowlands), another game against a decent BCS program, and another game against a bad team...a D1AA school or a MAC type school.

We are not going to get 2 for 1s or 3 for 1s with MAC schools anymore, but I am okay with home and homes as we can travel to their stadiums pretty easily (especially Akron, Kent and UB) and it helps us recruit in the Ohio/Michigan areas where we are now having some success.

While I would like the convenience of going to road games in East Hartford and Piscataway, I don't think it is our self interest to play UConn or Rutgers in football anymore once we leave the Big East. And I don't expect that to happen, unless it is part of a compromise to allow Syracuse to leave the Big East early.

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I don't see the Meadowlands game as driven by recruiting though that is an obvious benefit.

In the past, it was probably driven by several other important considerations:

1) a high profile game where NYC regional alumni, students, potential students, donors and recruits could attend and the media benefit of playing such a game in this market.

This market is way, way more important to the school than playing at Akron, Kent, Buffalo: not even close.
These considerations have importance to SU going forward.

2) a high profile game to promote the SU brand was critical with SU in the Big East, in the hope that the ACC might decide a northeast school like SU would fit into their expansion plans, and to position SU as a national team.

That SU had a respectable season last year and played in the Pinstripe bowl may well have been an important positive in changing the perception of SU as an expansion candidate.

Mission accomplished.

3) With SU in the ACC, the annual conference payout is way better and the scheduling is way better (especially with a 9 team conference schedule) and going forward SU is in a far, far stronger position to choose who to play and under what terms.

A home, home and Meadowlands hopefully should be the new goal, if at all possible. But I still believe the Meadowlands game continues to be a major plus with SU now in the ACC.

4) For reasons noted in 1) above, it makes all the sense in the world for SU to continue to play RU, and UConn to a lesser extent, on a regular basis so NYC metro area alumni, fans, donors, recruits, potential students have the opportunity to see the team, plus gain the benefits of regional media coverage plus provide a reasonable travel game for central NY fans.

Regional games are an important part of what makes college football interesting.

 

[rrlbees]

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I don't see the Meadowlands game as driven by recruiting though that is an obvious benefit.

In the past, it was probably driven by several other important considerations:

1) a high profile game where NYC regional alumni, students, potential students, donors and recruits could attend and the media benefit of playing such a game in this market.

This market is way, way more important to the school than playing at Akron, Kent, Buffalo: not even close.
These considerations have importance to SU going forward.

2) a high profile game to promote the SU brand was critical with SU in the Big East, in the hope that the ACC might decide a northeast school like SU would fit into their expansion plans, and to position SU as a national team.

That SU had a respectable season last year and played in the Pinstripe bowl may well have been an important positive in changing the perception of SU as an expansion candidate.

Mission accomplished.

3) With SU in the ACC, the annual conference payout is way better and the scheduling is way better (especially with a 9 team conference schedule) and going forward SU is in a far, far stronger position to choose who to play and under what terms.

A home, home and Meadowlands hopefully should be the new goal, if at all possible. But I still believe the Meadowlands game continues to be a major plus with SU now in the ACC.

4) For reasons noted in 1) above, it makes all the sense in the world for SU to continue to play RU, and UConn to a lesser extent, on a regular basis so NYC metro area alumni, fans, donors, recruits, potential students have the opportunity to see the team, plus gain the benefits of regional media coverage plus provide a reasonable travel game for central NY fans.

Regional games are an important part of what makes college football interesting.

you talk like it is a 1 time or occasional thing and not a 14 game deal.

 

[sutomcat]

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I don't see the Meadowlands game as driven by recruiting though that is an obvious benefit.

In the past, it was probably driven by several other important considerations:

1) a high profile game where NYC regional alumni, students, potential students, donors and recruits could attend and the media benefit of playing such a game in this market.

This market is way, way more important to the school than playing at Akron, Kent, Buffalo: not even close.
These considerations have importance to SU going forward.

2) a high profile game to promote the SU brand was critical with SU in the Big East, in the hope that the ACC might decide a northeast school like SU would fit into their expansion plans, and to position SU as a national team.

That SU had a respectable season last year and played in the Pinstripe bowl may well have been an important positive in changing the perception of SU as an expansion candidate.

Mission accomplished.

3) With SU in the ACC, the annual conference payout is way better and the scheduling is way better (especially with a 9 team conference schedule) and going forward SU is in a far, far stronger position to choose who to play and under what terms.

A home, home and Meadowlands hopefully should be the new goal, if at all possible. But I still believe the Meadowlands game continues to be a major plus with SU now in the ACC.

4) For reasons noted in 1) above, it makes all the sense in the world for SU to continue to play RU, and UConn to a lesser extent, on a regular basis so NYC metro area alumni, fans, donors, recruits, potential students have the opportunity to see the team, plus gain the benefits of regional media coverage plus provide a reasonable travel game for central NY fans.

Regional games are an important part of what makes college football interesting.

DM is the guy that made the games in the Meadowlands happen, and it was done for recruiting purposes. Yes, we have a lot of alums in the NYC area. They historically have not come out to attend football games played in that area but throwing them football bones to replace their lost basketball bones might help a bit. Of course, we all know SU is going to schedule some home conference games in MSG...their lying about it now is almost as sad as their treatment of the upstate NY fanbase that has carried the basketball program for so many years. And the media attention is a nice side benefit.

But the games were schedule for recruiting purposes. That and the cash guarantees they Dr Gross could not resist turning down.

Regarding playing games at UB, Kent or Akron, again, the reality of our situation is that 1) we need to schedule winnable OOC games 2) playing D1AA schools is an attendance disaster 3) we can't get MAC schools to sign 3 for 1 or even 2 for 1 deals so 4) the best option is to schedule home and homes where our fans can easily travel to the away game and the away game is played in a prime recruiting area. For these reasons, I remain a strong advocate of also scheduling Army and Navy on a regular basis.

The Pinstripe had zero impact on SU getting invited to the ACC. After the debacle the first time they were invited, they were assured they would be first in line to get an invitation the next time the conference expanded.

It would be nice for the fanbase if SU continued to play RU and UConn (as I already said), but the AD needs to think about the bottom line. The ACC is considered a level or two above what is left of the Big East.

Assuming RU and UConn remain in the BE, I think SU, Pitt and BC will not schedule these schools. They aren't big draws, these schools travel extremely poorly, they have never been rivals and there is no upside to playing them. Beating them accomplishes nothing, it is expected. Losing helps to elevate those programs and keep them relevant. This is particularly important because we battle these schools for recruits more than any other schools. Syracuse can play Army, UB, Temple, Akron, Kent, Navy in home and homes and give the fan base lots of attractive road trips (in addition to Pitt, BC and UMd).

West Virginia is different. They travel well, we have a long history with them, they will be playing in a good conference (at least for now) and we don't recruit head to head with them for players very much. I could see Syracuse scheduling the Mountaineers from time to time in OOC play.

 

[KaiserUEO]

hey bees, can list the years and the 14 teams?? or point me to a site that has them listed?? :noidea:

all i know is the usc, the notre dames and the penn states...provided we play a molester school.

wait, SU IS a molester school, looks like thats still on.

im guessing thats 7 games tops.

 

[Pyle]

No Div1AA teams? When we are going to have VT, FSU, Clemson, etc already on the schedule?Lighten up people. We don't need to kill ourselves every year. You need a tune up game or two before throwing kids to the wolves. All the other ACC teams do it, why put SU at a disadvantage every year by making them have a tougher SOS? Makes no sense to me. Far as I'm concerned...Colgate, Cornell, Albany, whatever is fine by me. SU fans are ridiculous when it comes to scheduling. Maybe after USC kicks our teeth in again this year you'll get the point.

 

[rrlbees]

hey bees, can list the years and the 14 teams?? or point me to a site that has them listed?? :noidea:

all i know is the usc, the notre dames and the penn states...provided we play a molester school.

wait, SU IS a molester school, looks like thats still on.

im guessing thats 7 games tops.

only games announced so far are

2012 usc
2013 psu
2014 nd
2016 nd

the other 10 games, to be played every other year starting in 2019 are vs tbd.

you knew all this.

btw, psu is a molester school. nothing about su says the same.

 

[rrlbees]

No Div1AA teams? When we are going to have VT, FSU, Clemson, etc already on the schedule?Lighten up people. We don't need to kill ourselves every year. You need a tune up game or two before throwing kids to the wolves. All the other ACC teams do it, why put SU at a disadvantage every year by making them have a tougher SOS? Makes no sense to me. Far as I'm concerned...Colgate, Cornell, Albany, whatever is fine by me. SU fans are ridiculous when it comes to scheduling. Maybe after USC kicks our teeth in again this year you'll get the point.

it's not about tougher sos, it's also about attractive home schedules.

 

[ImperialOrange]

I picked mid level BCS team... I enjoy playing Notre Dame

 

[Pyle]

it's not about tougher sos, it's also about attractive home schedules.

Hmmm well call me a horse of a different color but SU vs <fill_in_blank> is attractive enough to me. Especially with the rest of the ACC teams to choose from. I could understand scheduling tougher when members of the BE, we needed a little extra exposure and a reason for fans to come out. I guess I also don't see a big difference in opponent appeal between Albany and Akron, or between NIU and RI. It's not a big deal unless it's USC, ND, etc. but thats when you get into trouble by overloading. And if you go much higher than a mac school, like say your NW's and BYU's then you run the risk of getting whooped and now don't have that extra win that everyone else got towards bowl eligibility. People need to stop buying tickets so they can watch the opposition, they should be buying tickets to watch SU.

 

[rrlbees]

Hmmm well call me a horse of a different color but SU vs <fill_in_blank> is attractive enough to me. Especially with the rest of the ACC teams to choose from. I could understand scheduling tougher when members of the BE, we needed a little extra exposure and a reason for fans to come out. I guess I also don't see a big difference in opponent appeal between Albany and Akron, or between NIU and RI. It's not a big deal unless it's USC, ND, etc. but thats when you get into trouble by overloading. And if you go much higher than a mac school, like say your NW's and BYU's then you run the risk of getting whooped and now don't have that extra win that everyone else got towards bowl eligibility. People need to stop buying tickets so they can watch the opposition, they should be buying tickets to watch SU.

I guess if you support lower season tickets sales. Nobody is going to see increased season tix and walk up crowds, thus better attendance, playing only the Rhode Islands and Akrons of the world.

 

[Pyle]

Who said only? I didn't say schedule 3 of them but 1 FCS team a year, just like 90% of the other schools in FBS do doesn't seem like such a bad thing to me. I love guys who want to make it harder for SU to get to a bowl game just so they can feel better about buying tickets. I get your point, I do, but it points to a crappy fan base. We shouldn't need to put SU out to slaughter just to get a couple 1000 more seats sold.

Let's play a game. Do you think we get more season ticket sales for situation A or situation B:

1. A team who's been sub .500 for the better part of decade that is playing top brand teams and not favored, and usually lose. (Essentially our current reality)

2. A team who's been over .500 and continually getting bowl invites.

Think of it as long term investment. Would you rather try to reap some minuscule benefit for having a high profile opponent? Or would your rather SU starts having winning seasons, creating buzz in the city, thus prompting the casual fan to come to more games? Overloading schedules leads to losing which leads to diminished fan support.

 

[TexanMark]

Some great points above

It is my opinion that the MAC teams time to demand n get home and homes' are over. The Big Boy conferences are all going to 8 or 9 conference games. The MAC schools will see less opportunities...unlike Cuse other Big Boy schools can play a 1AA in front of soldout stadiums...they will continue to schedule those teams and also pay CUSA/Sun Belt, etc... to come in for guaranteed games.

More Inventory for Cuse>Additionally some new teams are upgrading (Texas St, GA St, UTSA, UNCC) There is even talk of schools like Old Dominion, James Madison forming a new version of the Sun Belt along I-95. If the MAC team sez No...lets ask James Madison, ODU, etc...

I still think SU can ask and will get 2 for 1s with Buffalo, Kent St and Akron. Not sure if Temple would go for it...but maybe we could sweeten the deal and get a 2 for 1 in FB and a 1 for 1 in Basketball with them. There are no other MAC schools we really should play as they fall out of our recruiting area. I realize Ty Wheatley is having luck in Michigan but realistically how long will that last?

SU needs to get some 2 for 1s with low majors to fill their home slate out...if not I could see some 5 game home slates.

 

[KaiserUEO]

only games announced so far are

2012 usc
2013 psu
2014 nd
2016 nd

the other 10 games, to be played every other year starting in 2019 are vs tbd.

you knew all this.

btw, psu is a molester school. nothing about su says the same.

actually, i dont think i understood the Meadowlands deal. or maybe, like Pettitte, i just misremembered.

so there is those 4 AND 14 more games TBD over the course of 28 years, basically 2019-2047??

so in theory, it could even involve ACC regular season games.

actually, after i typed it, it does sound familiar.

 

[Chip]

No Div1AA teams? When we are going to have VT, FSU, Clemson, etc already on the schedule?Lighten up people. We don't need to kill ourselves every year. You need a tune up game or two before throwing kids to the wolves. All the other ACC teams do it, why put SU at a disadvantage every year by making them have a tougher SOS? Makes no sense to me. Far as I'm concerned...Colgate, Cornell, Albany, whatever is fine by me. SU fans are ridiculous when it comes to scheduling. Maybe after USC kicks our teeth in again this year you'll get the point.

I think they should make 1AA games illegal. Or change the rule so that zero 1AA games can be used for bowl eligibility. Levels the playing field.

 

[Chip]

I guess if you support lower season tickets sales. Nobody is going to see increased season tix and walk up crowds, thus better attendance, playing only the Rhode Islands and Akrons of the world.

I think the ACC changes this entire equation though. I agree it looked bleak for local season ticket holders only getting a Big East schedule and then having a big OOC moved to the Meadowlands.

But if the ACC does 9 game schedules, we should get at worst 4 ACC games, and every other year, 5 ACC games in the Dome. Not every ACC opponent is attractive, but overall it doesn't even compare to the Big East, regardless of which division we get and which crossover we get.

It will be interesting to see where the NYC thing goes after the currently scheduled games. As we've all said many times, PSU is a fair deal. USC clearly is not. ND is what it is, you either do that, or you don't play them. I hope most would rather play them, and everyone should take one of those trips to South Bend to see a game in that stadium. Where does it go from here? How set in stone are those other games anyway? We arranged that pre-ACC.

 

[rrlbees]

actually, i dont think i understood the Meadowlands deal. or maybe, like Pettitte, i just misremembered.

so there is those 4 AND 14 more games TBD over the course of 28 years, basically 2019-2047??

so in theory, it could even involve ACC regular season games.

actually, after i typed it, it does sound familiar.

it's 14 total which includes the 4 announced. the other 10 aren't announced yet except gross saying it is a 10 year deal starting in 2019 and then every other year.