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Message: [QUOTE="HRE Otto IV, post: 4807441, member: 5685"] This is just in Ls. Not taking Ws into account. So when those three lose it is equally not close. The problem with GRob and Shafer was that they also never won. Dino is at least winning some games. GRob stunk but he did have hard schedules. He was also left with no talent. He had three years with zero FCSs while one year we had 2 FCSs in the same year under Marrone. Given the schedules and the talent left behind, was GRob better than Shafer? 2005: Notre Dame, FSU, UVA, UB, no FCS 2006: Wake, Iowa, Illinois, Miami OH, Wyoming, no FCS 2007: Washington, Iowa, Illinois, Miami OH, UB, no FCS 2008: Northwestern, Akron, Penn State, Northeastern, Notre Dame So he had 3 P5 OOCs per year, making 10 games yearly. He only had six G5s or 1.5 per year. He had only one FCS total. [/QUOTE]