Bell has 58 3 pt attempts and 5 free throw attempts | Page 2 | Syracusefan.com

Bell has 58 3 pt attempts and 5 free throw attempts

Meh, still not impressed with Bell 75% of the time. He’s a three point volume shooter and not much else for the amount of time he’s on the court. Starling has better rebounding and steal %s and more points produced despite not having a jumper. Bell has the worst d-rating among non walk-ons.

As an aside Brown leads the team in D-rating AND O-rating.
Brown will always have a good rating offensively because he doesn’t try to do too much but still offers some decent production. That’s a good thing and a not great thing all at once I guess. Love his composure but feel he could occasionally be a bit more aggressive offensively.

On Bell, I’m mostly with you. I will say I thought his release looked faster and more consistent and his shots came in rhythm more vs LSU. Maybe they just stink but that’s as quick and pure as I’ve seen Bell.

But how much has he improved and is he a winning player that can help us make a run at a tourney berth? Feel like that’s still up in the air and I skew a bit skeptical. Seems like a good enough kid who’s working harder on defense, but he’s still almost exclusively a standstill shooter. To start talking about all-acc or showing drastic improvement we need to see more movement, more shots off screens, more rebounding, and continued improvement creating looks for himself and hopefully others from time to time off the pump fake.
 
Brown will always have a good rating offensively because he doesn’t try to do too much but still offers some decent production. That’s a good thing and a not great thing all at once I guess. Love his composure but feel he could occasionally be a bit more aggressive offensively.

On Bell, I’m mostly with you. I will say I thought his release looked faster and more consistent and his shots came in rhythm more vs LSU. Maybe they just stink but that’s as quick and pure as I’ve seen Bell.

But how much has he improved and is he a winning player that can help us make a run at a tourney berth? Feel like that’s still up in the air and I skew a bit skeptical. Seems like a good enough kid who’s working harder on defense, but he’s still almost exclusively a standstill shooter. To start talking about all-acc or showing drastic improvement we need to see more movement, more shots off screens, more rebounding, and continued improvement creating looks for himself and hopefully others from time to time off the pump fake.

He's kind of like Shumpert, in that he doesn't jump that much when he takes his shot. It's almost a set shot, but with a snap of a release. He's not that consistent yet, but he's getting better. And of course Shump got us 6-7 rebounds a game for a couple years. Bell needs to keep working to improve, and play more of his game inside the 3 point line.
 
Bell has shown a ton of improvement this year so far. It seems his coach has really been working with him and he is taking it to heart.

Taylor's release is a little slow because of his lack of surety if he should shoot it. He is to quick to just pass the ball. If he had Bell's confidence he would be one of the best players on the court. The two should be roommates and rub off on each other.
 
What is d and o rating and where do you find it?
Offense and defense rating.
ORtg -- Offensive Rating: An estimate of points scored (for teams) or points produced (for players) per 100 possessions.
DRtg -- Defensive Rating: an estimate of points allowed per 100 possessions.

The advanced stats take time to stabilize but they’re fairly representative of what has been because they're based on stats accrued not expected stats. However, think of them having a wider variance band right now with that band tightening with more minutes and games. 100 is average. So for example if someone has a 125 after 5-6 games it could really be 5-10 points in either direction where after 25 games - particularly once in conference play - that possible swing might only be 2-3 points in either direction. For example, Niko Ruffin really leads the team in O-rating with 300, which is a function of his two minutes and one FGA and one FG made (a three).

It does generally lean towards the paint players because of their higher FG%s, but it counts actual production on the floor and the guards in the top-10 are there because they're efficient and good. These are all brand names for the most part:

1701435186273.png
1701435210453.png
 
And I'm not saying that Bell can't be a really good player, the skill is there and Red needs to unlock the rest of it. He needs to be complete player for the amount of minutes and FGAs he's being allowed. No 19ft twos He's been the focus of the offense for the most part, having been the scorer on 21 of Syracuse's 96 assists (22%):

1701435880247.png
 
Offense and defense rating.
ORtg -- Offensive Rating: An estimate of points scored (for teams) or points produced (for players) per 100 possessions.
DRtg -- Defensive Rating: an estimate of points allowed per 100 possessions.

The advanced stats take time to stabilize but they’re fairly representative of what has been because they're based on stats accrued not expected stats. However, think of them having a wider variance band right now with that band tightening with more minutes and games. 100 is average. So for example if someone has a 125 after 5-6 games it could really be 5-10 points in either direction where after 25 games - particularly once in conference play - that possible swing might only be 2-3 points in either direction. For example, Niko Ruffin really leads the team in O-rating with 300, which is a function of his two minutes and one FGA and one FG made (a three).

It does generally lean towards the paint players because of their higher FG%s, but it counts actual production on the floor and the guards in the top-10 are there because they're efficient and good. These are all brand names for the most part:

View attachment 234200View attachment 234201

I’m very familiar with that box score site. I thought maybe you had a different one.
 
I'll keep saying it - Bell is excellent at getting himself into scoring position, and Taylor is pretty bad at it.

It's not a coincidence Bell scores so much more. He has a much better feel for getting himself in scoring position. I know there's a narrative around Taylor that it's unselfishness/he should be more aggressive, but it actually would be really hard for Taylor to score much more than he does now, playing the way he does now on offense. He's more limited there than it seems.
Taylor was wide open at least 4 times and didn't get a look.
 
What makes no sense is that he has one more minute than JT, but 49 more poyints (102 vs 53). Hopefully when JT is home in Charlottesville that his mom will yell at him for not being as aggressive as Bell. We knew that some of the sophomores would improve over their freshman year, but how many picked Bell as the one.
You'd think that Gerry McNamara (amazing) would be little fussier with his players' shooting form than I (terrible) am with my seventh grader

I have doubts about him

Bell on the other hand, "watch him shoot, kid"
 
You'd think that Gerry McNamara (amazing) would be little fussier with his players' shooting form than I (terrible) am with my seventh grader

I have doubts about him

Bell on the other hand, "watch him shoot, kid"
I think the thought process is that if you change his form right now, he's more likely to slump than improve. He can't be thinking about it when he shoots.
 
I think the thought process is that if you change his form right now, he's more likely to slump than improve. He can't be thinking about it when he shoots.

29.9-FG 5.6-3PT hard to slump from those numbers.

edit: 38.6%FG from SU site first number was not correct

Team stats are not great: 43.8-FG. / 31.7-3PT / 1.19 ASS-TO Rate
On the Plus Side over 9 steals and over 5 blocks per and 73.2-FT
 
Last edited:
Oh, I thought he was referring to Taylor. Yeah, agreed something has to happen with JJ.
I was referring to Taylor. Starling, I don't know what to make of him. He probably should've gone somewhere to fill Mintz's role. I don't think we need mintz and a poor man's mintz out there together
 
On a well-rounded team, Bell isn't starting but being used as a bench scorer.

On this team, he needs to start. He has gotten better since last year. He had some serious on ball and help defensive moments last game that were impressive. He literally had a rotation and shot defense at the rim where he kept verticality better than anyone has on our team this year or last.

But, overall, he's still pretty limited. BUT, he's still valuable. Red has had some games where he tries to run plays for Bell (and JT as well) to get them going early shooting to see what we have.

I like the strategy.

To be clear, we have much bigger issues than Bell's limits.
 
On a well-rounded team, Bell isn't starting but being used as a bench scorer.

On this team, he needs to start. He has gotten better since last year. He had some serious on ball and help defensive moments last game that were impressive. He literally had a rotation and shot defense at the rim where he kept verticality better than anyone has on our team this year or last.

But, overall, he's still pretty limited. BUT, he's still valuable. Red has had some games where he tries to run plays for Bell (and JT as well) to get them going early shooting to see what we have.

I like the strategy.

To be clear, we have much bigger issues than Bell's limits.
Yeah, I wish his flaws were a bigger concern on a better team but whatever, keep gunning
 
Bell has shown a ton of improvement this year so far. It seems his coach has really been working with him and he is taking it to heart.

Taylor's release is a little slow because of his lack of surety if he should shoot it. He is to quick to just pass the ball. If he had Bell's confidence he would be one of the best players on the court. The two should be roommates and rub off on each other.
Yeah- Bell is playing markedly better than he did last year. It's pretty obvious, if you ask me.
Can't quite understand why folks keep moving the goalposts on his game, and trust me I'm no great advocate for Chris Bell.
But compared to where he was, his D is better, his shot looks smoother, he's attacking the rim more, and his double digit games are becoming routine.
He'll never be a Kris Joseph all-around game type, but he's clearly made a sophomore jump, and it's noticeable. JMHO
 
Hopefully he can get some boards and go inside more. He's still a young player and only a Sophomore.

We desperately need the outside shooting and scoring he brings and he's improved as much as anyone from the 22 class. He's forced some shots but he only does it when the offense is stalled and not getting good possessions. His D has been pretty good too.

This team is way too reliant on that class as well they are doing nearly all of the heavy lifting for us. Westry hasn't played Cuffe can't take minutes from Cope or Starling, McLeod gets a couple nice blocks per game and not much else, Benny is Benny.
 

Forum statistics

Threads
170,322
Messages
4,884,760
Members
5,991
Latest member
Fowler

Online statistics

Members online
242
Guests online
1,223
Total visitors
1,465


...
Top Bottom