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Message: [QUOTE="two3zone, post: 4964059, member: 3651"] I think it is obvious, it I don’t think that’s a reflection on Red, the two stable guys from last season left. I don’t care what anyone says, last years team was a mess too, I think Jesse and Joe masked a lot of it. It didn’t seem very hard for Joe to leave when Red was named coach, and maybe Jesse knew that Joe was leaving and it was going to be Red and this group of misfits he didn’t want a part of it? I’m just speculating, but who could coach this group? Red is in charge of who is here, I believe he knows who’s given up this season and they won’t be back. Not sure there is a player on the roster I’d be sad to lose, but almost everyone but Brown and maybe Copeland I’m going to question why they’re even here. [/QUOTE]