best game of nassib's career in or out of conference

[Millhouse]

even better than WVU and Kansas State. and that's ignoring that UConn has a much much better defense than either of those teams.

better than Northwestern and USC too.

Common theme between UConn, WVU and K St - When we can run the ball well, his yards per attempt go way up. I know how that will get taken but I'm not taking credit away from him.

We don't need him throwing 40 times. the 3 best games, he threw 20 times against UConn, 33 times against WVU and 22 times against K State

I like Jerome Smith this is no knock on him. I hope that Bryold can give us the extra carries that allows to flip that run pass balance. Parroting other posts, if Trudo and Broyld are figuring it out and Broyld can help Smith, we're in very good shape.

 

[SmilinBob]

My concern was how sharp of a passer Nassib was/is when he isn't throwing the ball 40 times and he showed me something Friday night. Still had a bad miss with an open Lemon but overall I liked what I saw.

UConn really needed this game too and that's a good sign to beat a team that had their back against the wall.

From what I've seen of Broyld is that he is a football player, not a specialist. I like that in a player and I think he will be a very good player on the hill.

 

[upperdeck]

it would have been interesting to see Bryold get some of the open space that Smith got in this game.. He makes people miss given a chance, but Smith is running hard and has enough speed to get the job done given decent room.

 

[SmilinBob]

Smith is starting to look like Dee Brown. And Jerome if you're reading this Dee was a very good running back for SU not a woman...it's meant as a complement.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

even better than WVU and Kansas State. and that's ignoring that UConn has a much much better defense than either of those teams.

better than Northwestern and USC too.

Common theme between UConn, WVU and K St - When we can run the ball well, his yards per attempt go way up. I know how that will get taken but I'm not taking credit away from him.

We don't need him throwing 40 times. the 3 best games, he threw 20 times against UConn, 33 times against WVU and 22 times against K State

I like Jerome Smith this is no knock on him. I hope that Bryold can give us the extra carries that allows to flip that run pass balance. Parroting other posts, if Trudo and Broyld are figuring it out and Broyld can help Smith, we're in very good shape.

Agreed, the offense needs to be balanced to work effectively, that said it also needs to be good enough to beat you running or passing if the defense sells out to stop one or the other and I think we are getting there.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Smith is starting to look like Dee Brown. And Jerome if you're reading this Dee was a very good running back for SU not a woman...it's meant as a complement.

Smith is a big dude, huge lower body

 

[GoSU96]

even better than WVU and Kansas State. and that's ignoring that UConn has a much much better defense than either of those teams.

better than Northwestern and USC too.

Common theme between UConn, WVU and K St - When we can run the ball well, his yards per attempt go way up. I know how that will get taken but I'm not taking credit away from him.

We don't need him throwing 40 times. the 3 best games, he threw 20 times against UConn, 33 times against WVU and 22 times against K State

I like Jerome Smith this is no knock on him. I hope that Bryold can give us the extra carries that allows to flip that run pass balance. Parroting other posts, if Trudo and Broyld are figuring it out and Broyld can help Smith, we're in very good shape.

Marrone told everyone why they were so skewed earlier this year.

 

[Millhouse]

Marrone told everyone why they were so skewed earlier this year.

i thought we threw too much last year. last 8 games all with 32+ pass attempts last year. 2 out of 10 with less than 30 attempts. just didn't trust anyone beside bailey last year

 

[billsin01]

Common theme between UConn, WVU and K St - When we can run the ball well, his yards per attempt go way up. I know how that will get taken but I'm not taking credit away from him.

I agree with basically everything in this post. I'm not trying to knock Smith but I would still love to see Smith/Gulley/Broyld get plenty of touches. Broyld's acceleration is something we don't see much on this team.

The above quote, and I know we've gone back and forth on Nassib at times, is exactly how I see him and why I've always thought he got 5x the criticism he deserved (some criticism is obviously valid). Average players tend to reflect what's going on around him -- solid talent in a well-designed offense executing at a pretty good level is going to make nassib look really good. Inconsistent line play in a vanilla offense that's not executed terribly well is going to make him look bad.

Obviously you could say that to some extent about everyone, but a guy like Denard Robinson or Pat White or even a guy like Collaros are generally going to look pretty good b/c they are simply really talented. Guys like Barkley are going to look good most Saturdays b/c they are really good at throwing the ball. But generally, guys like Nassib need the parts around them functioning at a high level as well. We, obviously, haven't had that for the better part of the last ... well, since 1998.

 

[Millhouse]

I agree with basically everything in this post. I'm not trying to knock Smith but I would still love to see Smith/Gulley/Broyld get plenty of touches. Broyld's acceleration is something we don't see much on this team.

The above quote, and I know we've gone back and forth on Nassib at times, is exactly how I see him and why I've always thought he got 5x the criticism he deserved (some criticism is obviously valid). Average players tend to reflect what's going on around him -- solid talent in a well-designed offense executing at a pretty good level is going to make nassib look really good. Inconsistent line play in a vanilla offense that's not executed terribly well is going to make him look bad.

Obviously you could say that to some extent about everyone, but a guy like Denard Robinson or Pat White or even a guy like Collaros are generally going to look pretty good b/c they are simply really talented. Guys like Barkley are going to look good most Saturdays b/c they are really good at throwing the ball. But generally, guys like Nassib need the parts around them functioning at a high level as well. We, obviously, haven't had that for the better part of the last ... well, since 1998.

it's a little bit of faint praise though. his three best games, we ran for 251 (Uconn), 194 (WVU) and 259 kansas state. it's really hard to sustain anything like that. nassib deserves credit for capitalizing on a strong running game when he gets it but i wish he didn't need it so much

 

[billsin01]

it's a little bit of faint praise though. his three best games, we ran for 251 (Uconn), 194 (WVU) and 259 kansas state. it's really hard to sustain anything like that. nassib deserves credit for capitalizing on a strong running game when he gets it but i wish he didn't need it so much

this is fair. But it's not like Nassib doesn't contribute in meaningful ways even in some of those games where he's had some ugliness. I mean, they are converting a pretty decent 45% of third downs and he's only been sacked 16 times despite playing some good defenses and behind some mediocre lines. He also came up with a few drives (USF in '10, Wake, URI, Toledo in '11) when he wasn't having huge games that at least helpedus win and put up huge numbers the first three games of this season when we weren't running the ball terribly well.

But, as to the general point, yes we could be much better at QB.

 

[supp]

It was a good performance except for the series with the near pick and the fumble. That was ugggly! Everytime he starts jiggling the football like it's one of those jack-off exercisers they advertise on tv, I get nervous. You could almost see it coming.

 

[All4SU]

And Lemon had a big game, yet we won. So that's another theory from this board shot down.

 

[Millhouse]

And Lemon had a big game, yet we won. So that's another theory from this board shot down.

running for 250 yards helps.

i suppose i should've had the foresight to limit the "theory" to games where we throw a lot more. now granted two of those games where he had a small role were big rushing games. i probably should've thrown those out too.

i'm not sure the uconn game proves anything except running for 250 and holding the opponent to -6 is a good recipe for a whooping.

now i'm scared that we have used up our one nationally broadcast game per year where we just murder a team physically. moving the goalposts!

 

[sufandu]

It was a good performance except for the series with the near pick and the fumble. That was ugggly! Everytime he starts jiggling the football like it's one of those jack-off exercisers they advertise on tv, I get nervous. You could almost see it coming.

That's one of the funnier lines I've seen in a while.

 

[ORANGEsPHK]

Nassib managed the game well but I am a little perplexed about our running backs - perhaps most of you don't see it the way I'm seeing it and that's okay, but I have do want to voice this.

Outside of AB, and perhaps Gulley at times, I don't see Smith or Moore showing the ability to break tackles. Broyld has that uncanny ability to wiggle his way forward, through tackles and masses of defensive players. Smith, and in particular Moore, seem to drop at the first defensive player hitting them. Honestly, it seems like they fall like a ton of bricks.

Now, having said that, Smith had a monster game and I love the sweeps he ran where he just seemed confident in his ability to round the corner and power his way down the field. Love it. Moore, however, as much as he weighs and is supposed to be the treat in the "tank formation" seems to not have momentum going forward.

Is it just me that sees this? If so, then I'll shut up. But Broyld impressed me with his 'slipperyness" running the ball, he definitely has something that the other backs haven't shown yet, except Gulley at times.

So ... should I shut up or am I making a valid observation? (I'll accept either because I know I'm being critical here but submit myself to the football gurus here).

 

[sutomcat]

Nassib managed the game well but I am a little perplexed about our running backs - perhaps most of you don't see it the way I'm seeing it and that's okay, but I have do want to voice this.

Outside of AB, and perhaps Gulley at times, I don't see Smith or Moore showing the ability to break tackles. Broyld has that uncanny ability to wiggle his way forward, through tackles and masses of defensive players. Smith, and in particular Moore, seem to drop at the first defensive player hitting them. Honestly, it seems like they fall like a ton of bricks.

Now, having said that, Smith had a monster game and I love the sweeps he ran where he just seemed confident in his ability to round the corner and power his way down the field. Love it. Moore, however, as much as he weighs and is supposed to be the treat in the "tank formation" seems to not have momentum going forward.

Is it just me that sees this? If so, then I'll shut up. But Broyld impressed me with his 'slipperyness" running the ball, he definitely has something that the other backs haven't shown yet, except Gulley at times.

So ... should I shut up or am I making a valid observation? (I'll accept either because I know I'm being critical here but submit myself to the football gurus here).

I think you are right. Gulley is a water bug, is not really strong and does not look to run over people, rarely breaks tackes.

When Smith was first here, he used to attack defenders and run them over but a couple of concussions have changed things. I think he has cut down his aggressiveness quite a bit so he doesn't end his career early. Smith runs north/south maybe more than any RB I have ever seen at SU, almost never slows down or changes speed, almost never cuts sideways, tries to jiggerbug or make a move. It is a very efficient style and a successful one too; fhe is up to 5.0 ypc.

Gulley is much more of an east/west runner. Always probes for the best hole, rarely just attacks the line. It works well except when we play aggressive defenses that attack behind the line of scrimmage. He is averaging 4.1 ypc.

 

[SmilinBob]

Smith and the line did a nice job...they made holes he read them and I agree, he goes north west very well. But, when guys are getting tackled by people backs and falling it is a bit frustrating and maybe it's me but it seems like the cuse kids trip or stumble a lot with out being touched. I wonder if the fumbles are a part of this and going down instead of fighting for extra yards and possibly being stripped is what is being taught or encouraged by the staff?

 

[Millhouse]

I think you are right. Gulley is a water bug, is not really strong and does not look to run over people, rarely breaks tackes.

When Smith was first here, he used to attack defenders and run them over but a couple of concussions have changed things. I think he has cut down his aggressiveness quite a bit so he doesn't end his career early. Smith runs north/south maybe more than any RB I have ever seen at SU, almost never slows down or changes speed, almost never cuts sideways, tries to jiggerbug or make a move. It is a very efficient style and a successful one too; fhe is up to 5.0 ypc.

Gulley is much more of an east/west runner. Always probes for the best hole, rarely just attacks the line. It works well except when we play aggressive defenses that attack behind the line of scrimmage. He is averaging 4.1 ypc.

Gulley's just not fast enough.

 

[SmilinBob]

Gulley's just not fast enough.

I agree. Too much dance for me without the benefit, reminds me of watching a smaller version of Richardson.

 

[Upstate]

Gulley seemed to have lost a step since HS, probably due to the mass he had to gain in order to play D1 football. He looked and ran very similarly to Ted Ginn, Jr., one of the fastest players in college football when he played at tOSU, while he was at Garfield.

 

[Millhouse]

Gulley seemed to have lost a step since HS, probably due to the mass he had Marrone and Wheatley thought he needed to gain in order to play D1 football. He looked and ran very similarly to Ted Ginn, Jr., one of the fastest players in college football when he played at tOSU, while he was at Garfield.

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Tyrone Wheatley seems to really like players in his own image.

We're going to be a smashmouth no huddle passing team. Shrug. Worked great Saturday. I'd prefer running backs like Oregon's. If we can't have size and speed, let's go with speed and get enough depth to deal with the every down problem. After all, if we're no huddle, no one is an every down back