Best Organization in Professional Football?

[OrangePA]

Probably the Pittsburgh Steelers, right?

On Mike and Mike this AM, somebody noted that it took Bill Cowher 14 years to win a Super Bowl and at one point during the 14 years had three straight losing seasons.

And yet the organization stayed with him.

Never underestimate the importance of stability.

If I'm UCLA, or Kansas or some of the other schools in the news these past few days, I keep my coach around for awhile and use the stability to improve my program.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Patriots hands down, IMO. Best owner, best coach

 

[44cuse]

Probably the Pittsburgh Steelers, right?

On Mike and Mike this AM, somebody noted that it took Bill Cowher 14 years to win a Super Bowl and at one point during the 14 years had three straight losing seasons.

And yet the organization stayed with him.

Never underestimate the importance of stability.

If I'm UCLA, or Kansas or some of the other schools in the news these past few days, I keep my coach around for awhile and use the stability to improve my program.

Patriots. Not even close. Then maybe the Steelers...but the best is the Pats.

44cuse

 

[SaintTristan]

Stability is great. When you know your coach is a loser and doesnt have the chops to be successful, though, you have to get rid of him asap.

unfortunately, this is what we have with marrone. he is not a winner. he cant recruit. his gameday coaching is...well, not good. he is very good at speaking to the press and at alumni lunches and he knows how to tell kids ot shave their facial hair. but the football part of it? not so much.

Marrone was the safe and inexpensive option - he is a Honda Accord. maybe SU cant afford an exotic like a Vantage or a loaded 911 etc, but it can certainly afford a luxury model like a Lexus, thanks to the ACC.

So give the Accord away to charity and go buy a Lexus, Syracuse.

 

[SWC75]

Probably the Pittsburgh Steelers, right?

On Mike and Mike this AM, somebody noted that it took Bill Cowher 14 years to win a Super Bowl and at one point during the 14 years had three straight losing seasons.

And yet the organization stayed with him.

Never underestimate the importance of stability.

If I'm UCLA, or Kansas or some of the other schools in the news these past few days, I keep my coach around for awhile and use the stability to improve my program.

I think it's even more important at this level. USC, Ohio State, Florida can change coaches and they will still be strong. Syracuse can't afford a revolving door or we have zero chance to build a program.

 

[BlackKnight76]

 

[OrangePA]

Stability is great. When you know your coach is a loser and doesnt have the chops to be successful, though, you have to get rid of him asap.

unfortunately, this is what we have with marrone. he is not a winner. he cant recruit. his gameday coaching is...well, not good. he is very good at speaking to the press and at alumni lunches and he knows how to tell kids ot shave their facial hair. but the football part of it? not so much.

Marrone was the safe and inexpensive option - he is a Honda Accord. maybe SU cant afford an exotic like a Vantage or a loaded 911 etc, but it can certainly afford a luxury model like a Lexus, thanks to the ACC.

So give the Accord away to charity and go buy a Lexus, Syracuse.

You're still here?

 

[SaintTristan]

You're still here?

yep, and i will be long after you (and marrone) are gone.

 

[realcusefan888]

Probably the Pittsburgh Steelers, right?

On Mike and Mike this AM, somebody noted that it took Bill Cowher 14 years to win a Super Bowl and at one point during the 14 years had three straight losing seasons.

And yet the organization stayed with him.

Never underestimate the importance of stability.

If I'm UCLA, or Kansas or some of the other schools in the news these past few days, I keep my coach around for awhile and use the stability to improve my program.

my vote: steelers, pats, packers. yes, i get the marrone reference. was on board fully most of this year, but the way this 5-7/6-6 is unfolding is disturbing. this team has played one solid 4 quarter football game...ONE! leadership, motivation, scheming, and play calling...the entire spectrum are questionable at best at this point.

 

[Admiral Koga]

I understand the point that the original poster is making. But, two of the organiazations mentioned in this thread (Steelers & Packers) have fan bases that will likely never leave. Maybe if those teams go 0-16 for three straight seasons..but you get my point. It is a lot easier for have that stability (firing coaches, general managers, etc) when you don't have to worry if the fans are going to show up or if the game is going to be blacked out locally. Both of those teams have third generation season ticket holders...season tickets are inheirited (and treasured) just like grannies wedding ring. I'm sure that there are a few (Yankees?) but I can't think of too many organizations like that.

 

[Moontan]

Take it to the "Pro Sports" forum please.

 

[OrangePA]

Take it to the "Pro Sports" forum please.

Oh my.

Are we having a bad day?

There was a reference to college coaching.

Doesn't that qualify the post for this forum?

 

[Pyle]

The Lions! Errr umm. wait...you said best?

 

[Scooch]

Lots of ways to argue this, OPA.

The Pats won the Super Bowl in Belichick's SECOND year. He was 5-11 in year one, and then WHAMMO... champs.

Stability with success is really the goal, no?

 

[Millhouse]

Oh my.

Are we having a bad day?

There was a reference to college coaching.

Doesn't that qualify the post for this forum?

losing years in the nfl aren't like losing years in college.

conference play and nfl records are comparable but we probably don't want to go there

 

[Moontan]

Are we having a bad day?

No

There was a reference to college coaching.
Doesn't that qualify the post for this forum?

No

There's a reason that there are different fora here. People that don't want to read about politics stay clear of the "Off-Topic Forum", those that don't enjoy lax stay away from the "Lacrosse Forum". If you don't want to read about Laurie Fine's exploits you steer clear of "A Fine Mess". If you don't care about the NY Giants, the CFL, the NHL or the NY Yankees then you simply avoid the "Pro Sports" forum... or so you'd expect.

 

[OrangePA]

losing years in the nfl aren't like losing years in college.

conference play and nfl records are comparable but we probably don't want to go there

What does that mean?

Losing in the NFL is different than losing in college?

How so?

 

[OrangePA]

No

No

There's a reason that there are different fora here. People that don't want to read about politics stay clear of the "Off-Topic Forum", those that don't enjoy lax stay away from the "Lacrosse Forum". If you don't want to read about Laurie Fine's exploits you steer clear of "A Fine Mess". If you don't care about the NY Giants, the CFL, the NHL or the NY Yankees then you simply avoid the "Pro Sports" forum... or so you'd expect.

Wow.

You are strict.

I'm very sorry that my post disrupted your reading about Syracuse Football.

I will keep that in mind the next time I decide to post something.

 

[Millhouse]

What does that mean?

Losing in the NFL is different than losing in college?

How so?

there are fewer doormats in the pros. somebody goes undefeated just about every year. you can win the super bowl and lose 7 times.
bcs teams fatten up on not bcs teams

 

[OrangePA]

Lots of ways to argue this, OPA.

The Pats won the Super Bowl in Belichick's SECOND year. He was 5-11 in year one, and then WHAMMO... champs.

Stability with success is really the goal, no?

Sure, but success in the NFL is the Super Bowl Championship and Cowher went 13 years before he won one.

Too, even with success, there are going to be years when, despite the ability of the coach, the team loses.

And when that happens strong organizations tend to keep the coach.

Bill B. may be the best football coach in the history of the game.

But, when was the last time he won a Super Bowl?

It's been awhile I think.

Still, despite what has occurred over the past few years at NE, the Patriots, because it's a good organization, will likely keep BB around for many years.

 

[OrangePA]

there are fewer doormats in the pros. somebody goes undefeated just about every year. you can win the super bowl and lose 7 times.
bcs teams fatten up on not bcs teams

So you're saying that there is less tolerance for failure in college?

Or do college coaches generally last longer than NFL coaches?

I'm not sure I understand the point.

 

[Millhouse]

So you're saying that there is less tolerance for failure in college?

Or do college coaches generally last longer than NFL coaches?

I'm not sure I understand the point.

There is more parity in the NFL. they don't have cupcakes. so years where you only win 40% of your games aren't as bad.

every major college team has cupcakes. so the hurdle to get to over .500 is lower than in the pros

so yeah, major colleges have less tolerance for losing seasons

there is a little more tolerance for losing records in conference play

marrone has to be careful to not have many more 1 win conference records though. 2 out of 3 so far

 

[NovaOrange]

I think the Packers should be #1. The heat they took from the fans over Farve only made them look genius like when Rodgers became the best QB in football.

 

[shantydaze]

I think the Packers should be #1. The heat they took from the fans over Farve only made them look genius like when Rodgers became the best QB in football.

They also fired Ray Rhodes after one season when it was clear he could not cut it.

Belichick is like a great SEC coach, everyone knows he cheated, but does not care as long as it does not affect the program too badly and he keeps winning.

 

[orangehipfan]

Stillers, 8 tri