Best Organization in Professional Football?

[Scooch]

Sure, but success in the NFL is the Super Bowl Championship and Cowher went 13 years before he won one.

Too, even with success, there are going to be years when, despite the ability of the coach, the team loses.

And when that happens strong organizations tend to keep the coach.

Bill B. may be the best football coach in the history of the game.

But, when was the last time he won a Super Bowl?

It's been awhile I think.

Still, despite what has occurred over the past few years at NE, the Patriots, because it's a good organization, will likely keep BB around for many years.

I'm not sure what you're arguing here OPA? I assume is that's colleges shouldn't fire coaches after 3-4 "mediocre" years (and obviously the definition of mediocre is debatable). But using the NFL, and Cowher in particular, to argue that point is misguided, IMHO.

Here are some facts...

Cowher took over the Steelers in 1992, after they had gone 25-23 the previous 3 seasons under Chuck Noll. So he inherited a league average team. His first year he went 11-5 and made the playoffs for just the 2nd time in the past 8 years. So a great start by any definition. He proceeded to make the playoffs in the next 5 seasons, for a 6-year record of 64-32. Then he had 2 losing seasons.

I'm not sure I see how the situations in college and Cowher's performance with the Steelers as being remotely comparable. Cowher made the playoffs for SIX straight years when he took over, after the franchise had made the playoffs once in the 7 years before that. He earned a helluva lot of goodwill, and that's why he was "given" the two losing seasons before he rebuilt into the team that ultimately won a Super Bowl. That's not anything like a college coach taking over a mediocre team, and continuing that mediocre trend.

In the case of UCLA they were 13-13 the 2 years prior to Neuheisel being hired (an AWFUL hire if you ask me, the guy is a total sleazeball). He then went 4-8, 7-6, 4-8 and now presumably 6-7. No improvement whatsoever in 4 years. How is that comparable to Bill Cowher? In Kansas's last 5 years under Mangino they were 7-5, 6-6, 12-1, 8-5 and 5-7. Gill had them go 3-9 and 2-10. That's a catastrophe. How is that comparable to Bill Cowher?

I get that some programs are trigger-happy, but "stability" is not some guarantee of success.

 

[NovaOrange]

Nueheisel is my hero he is one of the very few who sued the NCAA and won. Good for him

 

[Symphony Steve]

I'd go with the Packers as the #1 organization right now. Why? Because, beginning with Ron Wolf, they have consistently had 'deep' drafts. That was a team with a lot of major injuries that still won the Super Bowl last year, but quality players came out of the woodwork, and they weren't patchwork. They also won two Super Bowls with two different great QB's.

I disagree with the argument that it's 'easy' to win in Green Bay b/c of the constant fan support. That can also breed complacency, and, in fact, there were a couple of down decades after the Lombardi years.

No diss on either the Steelers or the Patriots. But, the Patriots porous D can at least in part be laid at the doorstep of the GM, and Pittsburgh is not as deep as the Pack. Long-term, the results of those two great organizations speak for themselves, but right now I take the Pack.

I don't view this as a career award, but rather who is best right now. I KNOW it's not my Iggles. Which is why I hope that Philly's next GM comes from the current Packer organization, and that Philly's next coach is...anybody but Andy Reid.

 

[BlackKnight76]

I'd go with the Packers as the #1 organization right now. Why? Because, beginning with Ron Wolf, they have consistently had 'deep' drafts. That was a team with a lot of major injuries that still won the Super Bowl last year, but quality players came out of the woodwork, and they weren't patchwork. They also won two Super Bowls with two different great QB's.

I disagree with the argument that it's 'easy' to win in Green Bay b/c of the constant fan support. That can also breed complacency, and, in fact, there were a couple of down decades after the Lombardi years.

No diss on either the Steelers or the Patriots. But, the Patriots porous D can at least in part be laid at the doorstep of the GM, and Pittsburgh is not as deep as the Pack. Long-term, the results of those two great organizations speak for themselves, but right now I take the Pack.

I don't view this as a career award, but rather who is best right now. I KNOW it's not my Iggles. Which is why I hope that Philly's next GM comes from the current Packer organization, and that Philly's next coach is...anybody but Andy Reid.

Our drafting has been pretty ridiculous.

Major players:

QB Aaron Rodgers, 2005 1st Rd
RB Ryan Grant, 2007 Traded from NYG
RB James Starks, 2010 6th Rd
WR Greg Jennings, 2006 2nd Rd
WR Donald Driver, 1999 7th Rd
WR James Jones, 2007 3rd Rd
WR Jordy Nelson, 2008 2nd Rd
WR Randall Cobb, 2011 2nd Rd
TE Jermichael Finley, 2008 3rd Rd
TE Andrew Quarless, 2010 5th Rd
T Chad Clifton, 2000 2nd Rd
T Bryan Bulaga, 2010 1st Rd
G Josh Sitton, 2008 4th Rd
G TJ Lang, 2009 4th Rd
C Scott Wells, 2004 7th Rd
DE Ryan Pickett, 2006 FA
DE Jarius Wynn, 2009 6th Rd
DT BJ Raji, 2009 1st Rd
LB AJ Hawk, 2006 1st Rd
LB Desmond Bishop, 2007 6th Rd
LB Clay Matthews, 2009 1st Rd
LB Frank Zombo, 2010 FA
CB Charles Woodson, 2006 FA
CB Tramon Williams, 2006 FA
CB Sam Shields, 2010 FA
CB Pat Lee, 2008 2nd Rd
S Nick Collins, 2005 2nd Rd
S Morgan Burnett, 2010 3rd Rd
S Charlie Peprah, 2010 FA
K Mason Crosby, 2007 6th Rd
P Tim Masthay, 2010 FA

Virtually the whole offense was drafted by the team, save for Ryan Grant who is the #2 back for all intents and purposes at this point, and half the defense was also drafted. Team building 101.

 

[bnoro]

I'm pretty sure every team has based what they do after the Pats dynasty from 01-04. Professionalism, no trash talking, fight your battles on the field.

 

[bnoro]

Our drafting has been pretty ridiculous.

Major players:

QB Aaron Rodgers, 2005 1st Rd
RB Ryan Grant, 2007 Traded from NYG
RB James Starks, 2010 6th Rd
WR Greg Jennings, 2006 2nd Rd
WR Donald Driver, 1999 7th Rd
WR James Jones, 2007 3rd Rd
WR Jordy Nelson, 2008 2nd Rd
WR Randall Cobb, 2011 2nd Rd
TE Jermichael Finley, 2008 3rd Rd
TE Andrew Quarless, 2010 5th Rd
T Chad Clifton, 2000 2nd Rd
T Bryan Bulaga, 2010 1st Rd
G Josh Sitton, 2008 4th Rd
G TJ Lang, 2009 4th Rd
C Scott Wells, 2004 7th Rd
DE Ryan Pickett, 2006 FA
DE Jarius Wynn, 2009 6th Rd
DT BJ Raji, 2009 1st Rd
LB AJ Hawk, 2006 1st Rd
LB Desmond Bishop, 2007 6th Rd
LB Clay Matthews, 2009 1st Rd
LB Frank Zombo, 2010 FA
CB Charles Woodson, 2006 FA
CB Tramon Williams, 2006 FA
CB Sam Shields, 2010 FA
CB Pat Lee, 2008 2nd Rd
S Nick Collins, 2005 2nd Rd
S Morgan Burnett, 2010 3rd Rd
S Charlie Peprah, 2010 FA
K Mason Crosby, 2007 6th Rd
P Tim Masthay, 2010 FA

Virtually the whole offense was drafted by the team, save for Ryan Grant who is the #2 back for all intents and purposes at this point, and half the defense was also drafted. Team building 101.

All those guys suck.