Better Job: Syracuse or Virginia?

[JOC44]

I assume the Miami job is leaps and bounds better than the Syracuse job, but are we #2 of 3 or #3 of 3 in terms of open or likely open ACC jobs?

My instinct is that the UVA job is better, though being #2 in their own state plus possibly greater difficulty getting recruits admitted make me less sure.

 

[cuseguy]

I assume the Miami job is leaps and bounds better than the Syracuse job, but are we #2 of 3 or #3 of 3 in terms of open or likely open ACC jobs? My instinct is that the UVA job is better, though being #2 in their own state plus possibly greater difficulty getting recruits admitted make me less sure.

Virginia. Easily.

Much better area for recruiting.

 

[Chip]

I assume the Miami job is leaps and bounds better than the Syracuse job, but are we #2 of 3 or #3 of 3 in terms of open or likely open ACC jobs?

My instinct is that the UVA job is better, though being #2 in their own state plus possibly greater difficulty getting recruits admitted make me less sure.

Won't matter. UVA will beat VT this weekend, because I demand it to be so. Then Beamer will lose his bowl streak on the way out. And London, with back to back wins over Duke and VT, saves his job.

I think as far as this better job stuff goes, it really depends on whether or not we are in the same candidate pool. I think there are a lot more names being thrown out there than there are jobs. There's no way we'll be competing with Miami for a coaching choice. Whoever they hire will be U through and through.

I would think if UVA does pull the plug, Al Golden would have to be on their radar. I don't think he's on ours.

 

[baggerbob]

Virginia. Easily.

Much better area for recruiting.

The only ACC job that might be worse then ours is BC.

 

[texascpa]

Why is Miami better than SU? Weather and recruiting area? Otherwise, not much of a difference, well, except the worst crowds and no true home stadium at Miami.

 

[Chip]

Virginia. Easily.

Much better area for recruiting.

Syracuse should be better if you want to recruit nationally, assuming the Dome reno plans pop as some have suggested.

We have such a branding opportunity. Even if our fans don't see it. It's there. And I bet Coyle knows it.

 

[Bayside44]

I assume the Miami job is leaps and bounds better than the Syracuse job, but are we #2 of 3 or #3 of 3 in terms of open or likely open ACC jobs?

My instinct is that the UVA job is better, though being #2 in their own state plus possibly greater difficulty getting recruits admitted make me less sure.

Golden's record would've kept him around SU and UVa. That job stinks.

UVa is a better job I would say, but it's pretty close. Both have forgiving fanbases, reasonable expectations, and resources.

 

[Millhouse]

SU

 

[Ozcuse]

I assume the Miami job is leaps and bounds better than the Syracuse job, but are we #2 of 3 or #3 of 3 in terms of open or likely open ACC jobs?

My instinct is that the UVA job is better, though being #2 in their own state plus possibly greater difficulty getting recruits admitted make me less sure.

Pros for Virginia:
- Better local recruiting area
- Currently in an easier division. FSU, Clemson, Ville, NCST VS Miami, VT, UNC, Duke, Pitt
- Might be willing to spend more?

Pros for Syracuse:
- Carrier Dome
- Potential to unretire #44

 

[KaiserUEO]

Syracuse should be better if you want to recruit nationally, assuming the Dome reno plans pop as some have suggested.

We have such a branding opportunity. Even if our fans don't see it. It's there. And I bet Coyle knows it.

thats what i think.

start recruiting the track stars again.

and do it nationally.

 

[VirginiaOrange]

Won't matter. UVA will beat VT this weekend, because I demand it to be so. Then Beamer will lose his bowl streak on the way out. And London, with back to back wins over Duke and VT, saves his job.

I think as far as this better job stuff goes, it really depends on whether or not we are in the same candidate pool. I think there are a lot more names being thrown out there than there are jobs. There's no way we'll be competing with Miami for a coaching choice. Whoever they hire will be U through and through.

I would think if UVA does pull the plug, Al Golden would have to be on their radar. I don't think he's on ours.

London is gone - the only thing that saved him last year was the money that they still owe him.

 

[PAcuse]

The only ACC job that might be worse then ours is BC.

Wake

 

[VirginiaOrange]

Pros for Virginia:
- Better local recruiting area
- Currently in an easier division. FSU, Clemson, Ville, NCST VS Miami, VT, UNC, Duke, Pitt
- Might be willing to spend more?

Pros for Syracuse:
- Carrier Dome
- ...

Virginia's donor base is multiple times bigger than SU's - way bigger. John Paul Jones (name on their arena) is a billionaire. They had a donor give them several million just for the band. They ask for money, someone writes a check.

Also - networking as a UVa grad, even outside of Virginia, is big time. And if you finish early you can get your MBA from Darden and really be hooked.

 

[SU94]

It's an interesting question ...

UVa has underachieved almost exclusively since football was invented.

There is no reason that they should be playing second fiddle to VPI, but they are, and I have no evidence that says it will change any time soon. I suppose Beamer's retirement opens the window for UVa to take the state.

The Wahoos do have so many advantages over the Hokies, including money, campus/grounds, stadium, facilities, value of a degree, proximity to civilization (Norfolk/Richmond/DC/Baltimore). VPI's biggest advantage has been their overarching emphasis on football. UVa, meanwhile, fancies itself as a well-rounded athletic department akin to Stanford, sans the Cardinal's football success.

Getting back to SU vs. UVa, ... my answer would be UVa, but only at if their program is running at full or near full capacity. But under normal circumstances, the programs are pretty near equal.

SU has some things going for it: history, less poaching of recruiting territory, proximity to NYC media market, the untapped potential of Eastern football by an eastern power the last 8-10 years (PSU's stumble has set them back, as has Franklin).

 

[Scooch]

Virginia. Easily.

Much better area for recruiting.

If it's such a no-brainer and Virginia is such a better area for recruiting I wonder why UVA has sucked for the past decade?

They are 49-72 with 2 bowl appearances in the past 10 years. That's just as bad as SU (47-75, 3 bowl appearances).

For years and years I've seen people wax poetic about the potential of UVA. And yet they never, ever have sustained success. Maybe it's not all that great after all?

 

[cuseguy]

If it's such a no-brainer and Virginia is such a better area for recruiting I wonder why UVA has sucked for the past decade? They are 49-72 with 2 bowl appearances in the past 10 years. That's just as bad as SU (47-75, 3 bowl appearances). For years and years I've seen people wax poetic about the potential of UVA. And yet they never, ever have sustained success. Maybe it's not all that great after all?

We can only hope to recruit as well as Virginia has over the last 10 years or so. Not every class has been great, but considering their record most years, pretty heady stuff.

There's a place where coaching would make a big difference.

 

[Scooch]

We can only hope to recruit as well as Virginia has over the last 10 years or so. Not every class has been great, but considering their record most years, pretty heady stuff.

There's a place where coaching would make a big difference.

Fine, but the arguments on this board are hard to follow. I've been told no one can outplay their recruiting rankings, but UVA has had better recruiting rankings than us and they have had the same overall results. Now coaching matters? But it doesn't matter at SU, we can only hope to attain the level of our recruiting rankings?

 

[Alsacs]

100% UVA.

SU is a good job but UVA is the flagship university in VA. Great academics, good recruiting base in one largest growing states in America.

UVA-UNC-Duke are all sleeping giant jobs in the ACC.

 

[orange79]

If it's such a no-brainer and Virginia is such a better area for recruiting I wonder why UVA has sucked for the past decade?

They are 49-72 with 2 bowl appearances in the past 10 years. That's just as bad as SU (47-75, 3 bowl appearances).

For years and years I've seen people wax poetic about the potential of UVA. And yet they never, ever have sustained success. Maybe it's not all that great after all?

I hate it when you're logical.

 

[Alsacs]

If it's such a no-brainer and Virginia is such a better area for recruiting I wonder why UVA has sucked for the past decade?

They are 49-72 with 2 bowl appearances in the past 10 years. That's just as bad as SU (47-75, 3 bowl appearances).

For years and years I've seen people wax poetic about the potential of UVA. And yet they never, ever have sustained success. Maybe it's not all that great after all?

Al Groh and Mike London are bad coaches. They have got talent to UVA and outside of 2010 they have underachieved.

UVA has high upside because of the talent around them. Tidewater HS football should be enough for both VPI and UVA to be top 25ish teams often.

 

[Scooch]

I hate it when you're logical.

Ha. I do too!

I get that UVA has recruited well, and yeah, in theory it could or should be a better job than SU.

But I get tired of people banging the drum for "we just need more talent!" when other programs who have gotten "more talent!" have been just a crappy as we have. Talent matters, coaching matters, it all matters.

 

[Scooch]

FWIW, I watched SU vs. UVA, a game we absolutely could have won, and I don't recall thinking "Wow, they have such a talent advantage over us. It's only our great coaching that's keeping us in the game."

Looked like two fairly even teams to me.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

We have such a branding opportunity. Even if our fans don't see it. It's there. And I bet Coyle knows it.

Please Santa. All I want is an Orange football field.

 

[Eric15]

Why is Miami better than SU?

vs.

 

[TheCusian]

vs.

I see that and pick snow. Vacation at the beach.