Better Job: Syracuse or Virginia?

[texascpa]

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Hate the ocean. Prefer snow.

But, on a serious note, again, other than weather, what does Miami have over SU? I can't believe that recruits pick Miami just because of the weather.

 

[Eric15]

Hate the ocean. Prefer snow.

But, on a serious note, again, other than weather, what does Miami have over SU? I can't believe that recruits pick Miami just because of the weather.

I personally prefer a cold weather climate also, but I think you and I are in the minority.

But honestly, if you're an 18-year-old and you're being schmoozed on a recruiting visit, how can anything Syracuse has to offer possibly compete with South Beach?

 

[JOC44]

Hate the ocean. Prefer snow.

But, on a serious note, again, other than weather, what does Miami have over SU? I can't believe that recruits pick Miami just because of the weather.

Huge local recruiting base.

 

[two3zone]

"What does Miami have over Syracuse when it comes to football?" Is that a legit question?

 

[Cusester]

UVa. Every kid in America should want to play for Thomas Jefferson's university. They need to market themselves better. If they don't go after Dan Mullen the administration is brain dead. Don't let him end up at VT.

 

[texascpa]

"What does Miami have over Syracuse when it comes to football?" Is that a legit question?

Yes, it is. There are only two things that I can think of: Weather and their close proximity to recruits. However, when you look at their current stadium situation, their abysmal crowds and their fighting for recruits with FSU, UofF and even the lower tiered schools like USF and UCF, they have some distinct disadvantages.

 

[two3zone]

Yes, it is. There are only two things that I can think of: Weather and their close proximity to recruits. However, when you look at their current stadium situation, their abysmal crowds and their fighting for recruits with FSU, UofF and even the lower tiered schools like USF and UCF, they have some distinct disadvantages.

Those are two pretty big deals, the weather and the recruits.

The stadium, while not great it's good enough for an NFL team. I don't know of many 18 year old kids that are ready to walk through blizzards and negative degree windchill to get to classes to play for a poor football team, I assume if they're going to play for a poor team it would be in Miami.

The history of Miami is pretty solid as well, 5 National Championships in the past how many years?

You get a solid recruiter in Miami and next thing you know they're in contention for a national championship with the kids that play HS football in that state. That job is a lot easier and far better than the Syracuse job and it's not close.

 

[HOFCeluck]

UVa easily.

 

[dasher]

100% UVA.

SU is a good job but UVA is the flagship university in VA. Great academics, good recruiting base in one largest growing states in America.

UVA-UNC-Duke are all sleeping giant jobs in the ACC.

I disagree about the Duke part

 

[HOFCeluck]

Yeah, how is Duke a sleeping giant in football? Cutcliffe has all but maxed out that program.

 

[44cuse]

thats what i think. start recruiting the track stars again. and do it nationally.

We must go back to our old unis. Anything modern is blasphemous. We have to be run dominant. Small private school. NE. Blah blah.

44cuse

 

[Alsacs]

Duke can get to Stanford level. They can get kids who want an elite education and play P5 football.

Stanford/Northwestern/Duke have that advantage.

 

[Nicknack]

We have such a branding opportunity. Even if our fans don't see it. It's there. And I bet Coyle knows it.

I agree 100%. We aren't a very intriguing destination for a top head coach or high level recruits right now... but we really could be. We have the opportunity to create a niche that no one else could duplicate. When do people ever talk about the positives about 'Cuse as a destination? It's all about the negatives (cold weather, poor recruiting pool, small private school, etc) and understandably so BECAUSE we haven't carved out a niche that is there for the taking. I believe Coyle does see this and is a reason (among many of course) why he came here.

 

[NC'cusefan]

Wake

On par or worse Virginia, Wake Forest, BC, NC ST, Pitt

 

[storange]

To state the obvious...If this huge renovation project is coming then its a game changer. It might well move us up the proverbial recruiting ladder multiple spots.

 

[OrangePA]

London is gone - the only thing that saved him last year was the money that they still owe him.

He is also a respected and almost beloved man in Charlottesville.

 

[TheCusian]

To state the obvious...If this huge renovation project is coming then its a game changer. It might well move us up the proverbial recruiting ladder multiple spots.

Yep. That and all the national guys get that recruiting is harder here - but that's only one part of the problem. Chancellor and AD upgrade may take the "poor leadership" part out. Throw in an IPF and a dome renovation? And a salary increase? I think lots of people are underestimating what this job could be. Need a guy with vision and smarts to mirror Kent/Mark.

 

[OrangePA]

Syracuse is the better job.

Much greater football tradition.

A fan base that is much more interested in football.

And, an infrastructure that is getting better and better.

 

[Stern]

Both teams have a new IPF, so its a wash there

Virginia football has better attendance than Syracuse ( I mean attendance at both schools stink, but UVA has slightly better attendance), slight edge UVA

Scott Stadium is bigger and has been modernized within the last 15 years, better stadium situation today (Obviously in a week or more that could flip to Syracuse once we learn more about the Dome) so this is probably a wash here with the potential to be an edge to Syracuse once they announce the Dome renovations/new stadium

Tradition and History really doesn't matter anymore. As the Clemson teamed proved no 18-20 year old has a clue who Jim Brown or Ernie Davis is, nor do they care. The sport and society has changed so much that "tradition and history" is what have you done the past 4 or 5 years. Not what happened 50 years ago. We might not like it as a whole, buts its the reality we live in, so we have to deal with it. These kids get their history from XBOX video games not ESPN Classic documentary's. So there, neither team has an advantage in tradition or history as both teams have been poor in recent times. It's a wash here

Syracuse is clearly a basketball school first where football is an afterthought, at UVA its a basketball school first as well but they seem more engaged in football than we do. Coyle can change that, but until he does and there is some proof, slight edge to UVA.(very slight edge)

NYS high school football is poor, you have a poor regional recruiting base in-state, Virginia has much better high school football and while you are "little brother" to VaTech the state produces much better D1 football players. Huge edge to UVA there.

All in all, the jobs are about equal. So then it comes down to $$$ and UVA will probably pay a head coach more than SU will so UVA is a better job but not my much. These are pretty equal jobs.

 

[Nicknack]

Tradition and History really doesn't matter anymore. As the Clemson teamed proved no 18-20 year old has a clue who Jim Brown or Ernie Davis is, nor do they care. The sport and society has changed so much that "tradition and history" is what have you done the past 4 or 5 years. Not what happened 50 years ago. We might not like it as a whole, buts its the reality we live in, so we have to deal with it. These kids get their history from XBOX video games not ESPN Classic documentary's.

Good points and I tend to agree with many of them but regarding history, I'm not so sure if it's that extreme, at least not for all kids. Just ask Mo what it was like meeting Floyd Little. Also, the history of backs that we have had over the years seemed to resonate with Fournette as well when he was here. Of course, history won't pull them in by itself but to say it doesn't matter at all... I'm not so sure.

The way I see it is that if we just keep relying on what happened 40-50 years ago, it looks like we're grasping. However, we start building something here which I believe we can do, then history compliments the on the field product very nicely.