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Big Ten Discussing $2 Billion Private Capital Deal

"If the Big Ten and their member schools decide they want to push out one of their most powerful brands, that's on commissioner Petitti. You'd have to ask him why he'd want to do that. I don't know if there's a Big Ten without Michigan." -- Jodan Acker, a regent of UM.

[Sounds to me almost like a declaration of war.]

Oh please. Michigan is the Texas of the North. Everyone assumes the have a bunch of titles until they actually look it up. One outright title since 1948.
 
"If the Big Ten and their member schools decide they want to push out one of their most powerful brands, that's on commissioner Petitti. You'd have to ask him why he'd want to do that. I don't know if there's a Big Ten without Michigan." -- Jodan Acker, a regent of UM.

[Sounds to me almost like a declaration of war.]

UM and USC called Petitti’s bluff.

Petitti threatened both stating the BTE would move forward with 16, giving both a 3-6 month grace period. Nearly simultaneously stating that the BoTs had no say in the matter. He floated a soft date for a vote. UM and USC stood their ground, called his bluff.

UC already stated they would move forward with the deal but if UM and USC, two of the major brands, were not included, the money would not be the same. Now, UC is backing off.

This leads me to think other schools want to look closer at the details; the BoTs want to be informed or more; that USC, as indicated in some sources, was interested but thought the deal to be too one-sided; and UM was standing firm. All in all, both sides want this pause.

From UC Investment’s perspective the deal is only good with all of the teams. They get a nice stable long term return and the initial investment likely increases in value. Without key pieces, the risk increases and the value of the investment does not appreciate as expected.

I don’t think I have stated this outright, but from UC Investment’s side, I would have been happy with the original deal. I have taken the CFB perspective and that of the individual B1G teams, which means I have been against the deal as it smells too much of Rutgers-ian philosophy and execution regarding their AD expansion/improvements. If you prefer, the “ Field of Dreams” approach wherein “If you build it they will come.” This approach rarely works on its own, see Rutgers, UConn, others.
 
UM and USC called Petitti’s bluff.

Petitti threatened both stating the BTE would move forward with 16, giving both a 3-6 month grace period. Nearly simultaneously stating that the BoTs had no say in the matter. He floated a soft date for a vote. UM and USC stood their ground, called his bluff.

UC already stated they would move forward with the deal but if UM and USC, two of the major brands, were not included, the money would not be the same. Now, UC is backing off.

This leads me to think other schools want to look closer at the details; the BoTs want to be informed or more; that USC, as indicated in some sources, was interested but thought the deal to be too one-sided; and UM was standing firm. All in all, both sides want this pause.

From UC Investment’s perspective the deal is only good with all of the teams. They get a nice stable long term return and the initial investment likely increases in value. Without key pieces, the risk increases and the value of the investment does not appreciate as expected.

I don’t think I have stated this outright, but from UC Investment’s side, I would have been happy with the original deal. I have taken the CFB perspective and that of the individual B1G teams, which means I have been against the deal as it smells too much of Rutgers-ian philosophy and execution regarding their AD expansion/improvements. If you prefer, the “ Field of Dreams” approach wherein “If you build it they will come.” This approach rarely works on its own, see Rutgers, UConn, others.
Great! Agree! Does the countdown clock start soon on Petitti getting the boot? Maybe one of the UM regents becomes the new commissioner.
 
Uh oh. Tax-exempt status of college sports being questioned.

Senator Cantwell makes some good points. Once the co-mingling of funds occurs it is no longer clear that the non-profit status applies.

It would be great for any tax experts or even knowledgeable about a taxes to weigh in. Accountants, lawyers, politicians, has a third cousin married to the gardener who does the lawn for any of the above...
 
Senator Cantwell makes some good points. Once the co-mingling of funds occurs it is no longer clear that the non-profit status applies.

It would be great for any tax experts or even knowledgeable about a taxes to weigh in. Accountants, lawyers, politicians, has a third cousin married to the gardener who does the lawn for any of the above...
tax "expert" here but not very knowledgable about the area of tax-exempt organizations, especially the sub-topic of unrelated business income. It's a murky area. The tax law itself in this area is not a model of clarity. Some general principles are set forth. I've previously posted in this Forum (I don't remember if it's previously in this thread or an other one, probably here) that the origin of the concept of unrelated business income to an otherwise tax-exempt organization and it being subject to tax goes back to the '50s or '60s when New York University owned the Mueller Macaroni Company (this may not be its proper name). Congress decided that a business enterprise should not be tax-free just because it was owned by a tax-exempt organization and be able to unfairly compete against taxable business enterprises. So an initial question under this line of thinking is at what point do the activities of a tax-exempt university become in competition with other taxable business enterprises. But in the current B1G case, the University of California, the potential investor, is itself a tax-exempt organization. So it may be hard to get there. If instead this were a private equity firm, any profits earned by it from the 10% ownership of the Big Ten Enterprises entity would be subject to tax to the private equity firm. That would not in and of itself make Big Ten Enterprises subject to tax itself. But if Big Ten Enterprises was deemed to be in competition with other businesses that are taxable, it could bring it within the unrelated business income rules. Sorry if this is a bit of a convoluted explanation. BUT, aside from what current tax law is or may be, Congress can decide that this area of tax-exempt organization needs reform and of course they can do what ever they want (of course generally with Presidential agreement). So I think it is more likely that there is at least a threat of potential new legislation to affect this area rather than much activity by the IRS to push the envelope to subject it to tax. I think it is more likely that Senator Cantwell or other legislators will use the threat of potential tax legislation to try to stop this whole idea than there is actual legislation enacted. This isn't fully a legal response but maybe a practical one. HtownOrange I hope this sheds at least a little light on your point.
 

Again, I don't understand if all these schools are suddenly in such need of money, why don't they just start trimming the fat? I know these numbers aren't perfect, but simple math says that $1.4B split between 16 teams would be $10M more annually than $1.4B split between 18 teams.

Why wouldn't they just dump Rutgers and Maryland, who I assume would have no impact on the revenue if they were cut.

Do they suddenly have a conscience when it comes to removing teams? Or is it legally forbidden?
 
Again, I don't understand if all these schools are suddenly in such need of money, why don't they just start trimming the fat? I know these numbers aren't perfect, but simple math says that $1.4B split between 16 teams would be $10M more annually than $1.4B split between 18 teams.

Why wouldn't they just dump Rutgers and Maryland, who I assume would have no impact on the revenue if they were cut.

Do they suddenly have a conscience when it comes to removing teams? Or is it legally forbidden?
There's probably a contract. I think when Temple was dropped from the Big East it was because they weren't meeting stated attendance requirements, so something was violated. It may be the only way for the B1G to drop either school is to re-form itself into a new conference and not include them. Or go to a Super League route.
 
There's probably a contract. I think when Temple was dropped from the Big East it was because they weren't meeting stated attendance requirements, so something was violated. It may be the only way for the B1G to drop either school is to re-form itself into a new conference and not include them. Or go to a Super League route.
To add to your comment, each school, yes, even Rutgers, owns a share of the BTN so property rights becomes an issue and the BTN is a big money generator so I would assume.e Rutgers and Maryland would be all over the BTN and B1G if they were booted outright. And I am not sure either would be in a hurry to negotiate an exit.
 
UM and USC called Petitti’s bluff.

Petitti threatened both stating the BTE would move forward with 16, giving both a 3-6 month grace period. Nearly simultaneously stating that the BoTs had no say in the matter. He floated a soft date for a vote. UM and USC stood their ground, called his bluff.

UC already stated they would move forward with the deal but if UM and USC, two of the major brands, were not included, the money would not be the same. Now, UC is backing off.

This leads me to think other schools want to look closer at the details; the BoTs want to be informed or more; that USC, as indicated in some sources, was interested but thought the deal to be too one-sided; and UM was standing firm. All in all, both sides want this pause.

From UC Investment’s perspective the deal is only good with all of the teams. They get a nice stable long term return and the initial investment likely increases in value. Without key pieces, the risk increases and the value of the investment does not appreciate as expected.

I don’t think I have stated this outright, but from UC Investment’s side, I would have been happy with the original deal. I have taken the CFB perspective and that of the individual B1G teams, which means I have been against the deal as it smells too much of Rutgers-ian philosophy and execution regarding their AD expansion/improvements. If you prefer, the “ Field of Dreams” approach wherein “If you build it they will come.” This approach rarely works on its own, see Rutgers, UConn, others.
It’s not about the details. It’s about the very concept of private equity being involved in sports at all, which shouldn’t be the case. Hopefully more Big 10 schools oppose this move.
 
The solution for the conference is SPEND LESS.
The funny thing is that if these conferences get the PE money, then it will lead to more inflation of coaches salaries and more money spent on infrastructure, etc. This is what happened when TV revenue went way up, and why they think they need more money now.
 
This is so dumb . Good for big blue

Private equity isn’t the answer for college athletics. The spend is the issue
 
Good news. Big time college athletics is a cesspool of greed, corruption and short-term thinking. Those dynamics always win over the long haul, but it's nice to see when there's a small, fleeting victory for sanity.

FWIW, the whole notion of "financial challenges" is laughable on its face. Can't "afford" the costs of the current landscape? Then don't participate in an ever-escalating, and perpetually stupid, arms race.

"Guys, my neighbor bought a Lamborghini, so I need to buy a Lamborghini. But I don't make enough money. So I'm asking all my friends and family to donate to the 'Buy Scooch a Lambo' fund, so that I can compete with my neighbor! Don't you want me to compete with my neighbor?! Don't we have fun when I can compete with my neighbor?! Just give me money. Ideally every year, forever. Oh, and I'm taking a 3rd mortgage on my house too. That ought to do it! For now."

What a colossally idiotic system. College sports: Amazing on game day, disgusting as pig sH!!.t every other day.
 
Good news. Big time college athletics is a cesspool of greed, corruption and short-term thinking. Those dynamics always win over the long haul, but it's nice to see when there's a small, fleeting victory for sanity.

FWIW, the whole notion of "financial challenges" is laughable on its face. Can't "afford" the costs of the current landscape? Then don't participate in an ever-escalating, and perpetually stupid, arms race.

"Guys, my neighbor bought a Lamborghini, so I need to buy a Lamborghini. But I don't make enough money. So I'm asking all my friends and family to donate to the 'Buy Scooch a Lambo' fund, so that I can compete with my neighbor! Don't you want me to compete with my neighbor?! Don't we have fun when I can compete with my neighbor?! Just give me money. Ideally every year, forever. Oh, and I'm taking a 3rd mortgage on my house too. That ought to do it! For now."

What a colossally idiotic system. College sports: Amazing on game day, disgusting as pig sH!!.t every other day.
I'll be happy once the mighty GOR expires and SU can drop out of the arms race and go back to the Big East.
 
Good news. Big time college athletics is a cesspool of greed, corruption and short-term thinking. Those dynamics always win over the long haul, but it's nice to see when there's a small, fleeting victory for sanity.

FWIW, the whole notion of "financial challenges" is laughable on its face. Can't "afford" the costs of the current landscape? Then don't participate in an ever-escalating, and perpetually stupid, arms race.

"Guys, my neighbor bought a Lamborghini, so I need to buy a Lamborghini. But I don't make enough money. So I'm asking all my friends and family to donate to the 'Buy Scooch a Lambo' fund, so that I can compete with my neighbor! Don't you want me to compete with my neighbor?! Don't we have fun when I can compete with my neighbor?! Just give me money. Ideally every year, forever. Oh, and I'm taking a 3rd mortgage on my house too. That ought to do it! For now."

What a colossally idiotic system. College sports: Amazing on game day, disgusting as pig sH!!.t every other day.
Spot on. The good thing about greed is that all conferences and schools are greedy. Their (conferences and schools') greed will not allow morons who cannot manage their (morons - a.k.a. 16 teams in the B1G) money to force them into debt and loss of property (watered down shares of BTN). Now UM and USC have an opportunity to force the B1G schools back to reason, they are stronger as a group and working towards a small select group of goals than as radical independents forcing their separate agendas on each other.

Rutgers and UMD will always vote for the up front cash over self discipline and modesty, or as we all know it, living within their means. Michigan is right to oppose the deal as all members are harmed in the long run as they lose value in one of their biggest sources of sports revenue. Just my opinion, but UM and USC are the only B1G members willing to live within their means. Rutgers AD has not had a clue of the meaning of living within their means for several decades, they likely will not learn it soon.

UM and USC should never allow a Rutgers the opportunity to control UM's and USC's futures. Would any of us take financial advice from someone who cannot manage their own money? Nor should UM and USC.
 
College locker rooms are nicer than NFL facilities. The money is there and spent on idiotic things most of the time.
Correct ^^^^.

And I have posted this about 8-10x the last 5 years, college administrators are essentially inept. A bunch of miscast patsies confined to the losers' table. If any of them had any degree of foresight, wisdom, skill, or managerial acumen, they'd would've left to work in the pro sports realm. There are likely 7-10 exceptions and I believe JW is actually one of them. But don't lose focus on my main point, college administrators are by definition meek for living in the shallow end of the sporting pool their entire professional lives. They suck.

I mean, do you think that the AD at Iowa State, Washington or Florida State is someone of great ilk or stature? Hell, every time they have to hire a coach (football, softball, T&), they puss out and hire a search firm, so they have ground cover. There are Chinese Buffet restaurants in Waco, Texas that run better than what these idiots put forth in their own departments. No wonder they all get trampled/emasculated by the very head football coaches they are told to hire. It's a pathetic lot with a misguided sense of self-worth/importance.
 
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This Chicago Tribune Editorial from Wednesday is behind a firewall but you may be able to glance through the first thru paragraphs. Apparently former Mayor Daley sold 75 years worth of revenue from parking meters. The result for the city was not good.

I was not able to read the article, I found the following to support the premise, though:



Will the B1G learn?
 

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