blame marrone for the o talent, but the d is all shafer

[RF2044]

I agree with you on that. And we all get you don't like trick plays.

I'm not reading it as him not liking trick plays -- its resorting to only trick plays, overthinking things, and getting cute instead of just executing whether they know what's coming or not.

 

[TheCusian]

I'm not reading it as him not liking trick plays -- its resorting to only trick plays, overthinking things, and getting cute instead of just executing whether they know what's coming or not.

That's fine I guess. But looking back on the relative success of plays in our offense - a lot of them were the by product of at least some deception. Getting the defense thinking one thing only to do the other is kind of why we've lost two games (over pursuit).

I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bath water. Maybe less "tricky" stuff would help, but I wouldn't throw it out completely. If you're complaining that we did that with screens (Millhouse has) from last season, we should be careful about veering too far from what can work.

 

[Millhouse]

I agree with you on that. And we all get you don't like trick plays.

not referring to trick plays, unless you think most of the offense is a trick play

39 carries by running backs and WR not named Fredericks for 2.7 YPC

against Virginia, Fredericks gets 9 of the 23 non-Dungey/Dixon carries.

having that many ball carriers is tricky and counterproductive

 

[Millhouse]

I'm not reading it as him not liking trick plays -- its resorting to only trick plays, overthinking things, and getting cute instead of just executing whether they know what's coming or not.

we are lousy at running the ball because our hybrids aren't that good at it, which is no surprise because hybrids have to do too much

we have a good running back and he gets 8.5 carries a game. it's stupid

 

[TheCusian]

not referring to trick plays, unless you think most of the offense is a trick play

39 carries by running backs and WR not named Fredericks for 2.7 YPC

against Virginia, Fredericks gets 9 of the 23 non-Dungey/Dixon carries.

having that many ball carriers is tricky and counterproductive

Yeah thats fine. My bad for thinking you were beating a drum you always beat. My ears are ringing

 

[Millhouse]

Yeah thats fine. My bad for thinking you were beating a drum you always beat. My ears are ringing

 

[Orangello]

We simply don't have the horses this year to run the agressive blitzing, CB's on the island scheme that SS and Bullough like to play. Yet we keep running it.....

 

[NKR1978]

Don't forget HCSS is competing in the ACC and playing FLA State & Clemson each year...slightly different than the Big East schedule that Marrone coached against. ACC competition is a factor that requires talent level to take a leap forward from what Marrone recruited for...Gooornge!

We haven't played FSU or Clemson as of yet, and still the defense got gashed repeatedly by the offensive juggernauts that are CMU, Wake, Virginia and USF.

 

[RF2044]

we are lousy at running the ball because our hybrids aren't that good at it, which is no surprise because hybrids have to do too much

we have a good running back and he gets 8.5 carries a game. it's stupid

That's driven me nuts since Shafer has taken over. We had a proven 1000 back in Jerome Smith, and they drop his carries by 33% just so they can get other guys touches. The problem with that approach is that [1] it doesn't allow any player to get into a flow, and [2] it takes touches away from your best players--the ones you actually want to have the ball in their hands.

I chalked some of it up to McF***it's system, but it seems to have carried over. I'm all for subbing players out here and there, or even having a pre-defined platoon so that guys get a series off here and there. But there is no need to run 3-4 RBs per game [I'm not even talking about the hybrids]. Let Jordan Fredricks carry the ball 20+ times and see what he can do. I don't need to see him splitting carries with Morris / MacFarlane equally for no legitimate reason.

 

[OrangePA]

We haven't played FSU or Clemson as of yet, and still the defense got gashed repeatedly by the offensive juggernauts that are CMU, Wake, Virginia and USF.

We are clearly suffering through the growing pains of playing multiple frosh DL - including true frosh.

The development of the defense was not going to occur overnight. It will take a bit of time.

 

[Millhouse]

That's driven me nuts since Shafer has taken over. We had a proven 1000 back in Jerome Smith, and they drop his carries by 33% just so they can get other guys touches. The problem with that approach is that [1] it doesn't allow any player to get into a flow, and [2] it takes touches away from your best players--the ones you actually want to have the ball in their hands.

I chalked some of it up to McF***it's system, but it seems to have carried over. I'm all for subbing players out here and there, or even having a pre-defined platoon so that guys get a series off here and there. But there is no need to run 3-4 RBs per game [I'm not even talking about the hybrids]. Let Jordan Fredricks carry the ball 20+ times and see what he can do. I don't need to see him splitting carries with Morris / MacFarlane equally for no legitimate reason.

yep, 2 backs and a qb is enough ball carriers

 

[K Otto XLIV]

Well we know of at least once instance when Marrone shut Shafer down - Shafer wanted to recruit Chauncey Scissum, and Marrone didn't. As soon as Marrone left, that was one of the first recruiting calls Shafer made.

The head coach absolutely has the final say on who gets an offer. Our most recent commit, Lindsey Scott, is someone that Lester knew he wanted to offer after watching him in person but he had to go back to Syracuse and talk to Shafer about it first.

I agree with what you say but using that example is a check for Marrone. Wasn't Brisley another example? Let's use that one it works.

 

[jekelish]

I agree with what you say but using that example is a check for Marrone. Wasn't Brisley another example? Let's use that one it works.

So far yes, it looks like Scissum is pretty meh. He's still only a sophomore though, so I'm not COMPLETELY ready to write him off yet.

 

[rrlbees]

A little misleading. Kind of like saying a car salesman has to check with his boss before selling a car. Well yes, kind of like any job with a boss. You've made this comment before (like in the last week or two) and I've called you out before, that you're taking a basic concept and creating your own story around it. You're writing this as if you know that Shafer and Marrone had a difficult time agreeing on who to recruit and Marrone frequently shut Shafer down on players Shafer wanted to go after.

Yea, it's misleading. There may be an instance or two but not to the level that is being presented. Marrone would be most often more concerned with numbers than with a specific player. It was Shafers defense and his job to have the players that could execute his defense. Marrone did have to give his blessing but I'd bet the vast majority of Shafer and his defensive coaches got what they wanted.

 

[rrlbees]

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I've said plenty of times, the big uglies, OL and DL will determine future success.

 

[qdawgg]

Well we know of at least once instance when Marrone shut Shafer down - Shafer wanted to recruit Chauncey Scissum, and Marrone didn't. As soon as Marrone left, that was one of the first recruiting calls Shafer made.

The head coach absolutely has the final say on who gets an offer. Our most recent commit, Lindsey Scott, is someone that Lester knew he wanted to offer after watching him in person but he had to go back to Syracuse and talk to Shafer about it first.

Thank you, my point exactly. In any boss --> worker scenario the boss will get a final say over the subordinate. Way the world works. To claim that it happened on a regular basis, which is what I was specifically replying to, is absolutely false. The original post was about Shafer recruiting for his defense while working with Marrone and in that capacity, Shafer had almost free will to find and recruit whoever he wanted to fit his defense. That is also a fact.

Instead of replying to me with one instance (there were a couple others but who cares) in the how many years Marrone/Shafer worked together you should have replied to CuseOnly about posting inaccurate information.

 

[anglerman]

he is supposed to be a defensive coach. he has been here for what?...6-7 years? why does the lack of defensive talent get a pass? the defense has gotten worse each year under shafer as head coach. where are the players, where is the talent? we have a 5-8 safety for crissakes.

Marrone is the only person to blame for the overall lack of talent in the upper classes. Doesn't matter if it's offense or defense. You don't place blame on an assistant coach. Shafer is responsible for how things go in recruiting starting with the past 2 classes. What side of the ball it is makes no difference.

This is just a foolish post. Marrone wasnt the head coach of the offense. He responsible for the entire team

 

[K Otto XLIV]

Marrone is the only person to blame for the overall lack of talent in the upper classes. Doesn't matter if it's offense or defense. You don't place blame on an assistant coach. Shafer is responsible for how things go in recruiting starting with the past 2 classes. What side of the ball it is makes no difference.

This is just a foolish post. Marrone wasnt the head coach of the offense. He responsible for the entire team

Shafer and Daoust were bringing kids to Marrone who they thought were good fits for Shafer's D. So yes they are part of the blame.

Another question why is it that BC has a legit Top 25 D in Addazio's 3rd year but we have a bottom of the P5 type of D? They start 5 underclassmen on D so they are relatively young.