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Blame: players versus coaches

Tony Bennet takes a team of non-NBA prospects and has them contending for or winning the ACC title every year now seemingly... Built on the toughest defense possible.

He gets his team to buy-in and everyone knows their roll and plays it tenaciously.

We lack all of that last sentence right now.

2019 Mock Draft | NBADraft.net

Wut? They got 2 of the first 41 picks on that mock board.

Shyok who transfered to ISU will likely get drafted.

The team we beat in Chicago has 2 guys who have played in the league 1 regular in Brogden and Perrantes who played for a team that made the finals in Cleveland last year.

YOU REFERENCED SOMEONE WHO LOST TO A 16 SEED TO INSULT A HOF COACH????????

Please tell me that was a troll post?
 
2019 Mock Draft | NBADraft.net

Wut? They got 2 of the first 41 picks on that mock board.

Shyok who transfered to ISU will likely get drafted.

The team we beat in Chicago has 2 guys who have played in the league 1 regular in Brogden and Perrantes who played for a team that made the finals in Cleveland last year.

YOU REFERENCED SOMEONE WHO LOST TO A 16 SEED TO INSULT A HOF COACH????????

Please tell me that was a troll post?

It's not a troll post at all.

That list has Brisset at # 31, lol!

Moreover, it's ok to say our HOF coach is past it and can't get it done anymore.

It's not blasphemy.

You'd think I shot someone's dog or something.
 
Who shot 7-33 last night, the players or the coaches?
If you only have 8 plays, with predictable and illogical sets, defenses can make shots more difficult. If your point guard is responsible for doing nothing more than bringing the ball up to the edge of the 3pt line (and not an inch further!), and does not penetrate or create opportunities for more motion and better shots, percentages and efficiencies decrease. If your O philosophy is to decline fast breaks and to play with a minimum of possessions, you likely have low energy, and don’t get much of the positive psyche that comes from running, converting break dunks... ‘showtime.’ Remember how ‘electric’ we were in the Georgetown comeback? As another poster said, “Momentum is a thing.”

Then, yeah, let’s talk about 7-33. The players shoot the ball. But it’s ridic to assert that what they do on the court on game day isn’t a product of what they do/learn/repeat in practice. That they shot well in a previous game should clue us in to their capability, but if they aren’t set up for success against the next opponent, it’s all moot. Do we know that we were prepared for Tech’s unique zone shifts? Too often it looks like we barely have any clue what the opponent is going to do, because jB didn’t do his homework, and like me in high school, tries to cover by doing it at halftime/midday study hall. He’s a lazier coach. And when you have a staff full of Alum Yes Men, who’s going to push or question him? They’re all, just like we are, wondering which of them is going to be his successor. I doubt they want to stir any ire.

Then you ignore that a coach should install structure. If you don’t like brissett shooting too many 3s, he should be set up to do different things. If you have players who had certain skills in hs, but don’t exploit them now, how is it the kid’s fault? Sidibe, for example, had a nice midrange/paint jumper. That went away. Marek is now a pretty good set shooter. We see to recognize that only randomly/accidentally.

Our lineup is still an experiment. Even into the acc season. That’s ridic. Hughes is our second best player, and an experienced kid, yet sometimes he’s treated like a freshman, and sometimes like a senior. Put your best team on the court and either teach them what you expect before the game or deal with their mistakes and let them learn on the floor. Buddy had no right to be in the game the last two games—not at those stages. Hasn’t earned it with production. Gotta believe that kind of latent favoritism isn’t doing chemistry any favors. That affects morale, psyche, and then shooting.
 
It's not a troll post at all.

That list has Brisset at # 31, lol!

Moreover, it's ok to say our HOF coach is past it and can't get it done anymore.

It's not blasphemy.

You'd think I shot someone's dog or something.

No just Tony Bennett should not deserve to be referenced until late March this year when he gets past a 16 seed as a better option than JB. Thats whats blasphemous. Once he makes it back to the sweet 16 fine we can gush all over him.
 
It’s five years of bubble watching, five years or uninspired offense and abysmal shooting percentages.

And tbh yes I am inclined to blame the guy who makes millions of dollars coaching a game vs kids who stay four years max and get nothing.
 
2019 Mock Draft | NBADraft.net

Wut? They got 2 of the first 41 picks on that mock board.

Shyok who transfered to ISU will likely get drafted.

The team we beat in Chicago has 2 guys who have played in the league 1 regular in Brogden and Perrantes who played for a team that made the finals in Cleveland last year.

YOU REFERENCED SOMEONE WHO LOST TO A 16 SEED TO INSULT A HOF COACH????????

Please tell me that was a troll post?

Vermont’s happen
 
Elijah absolutely deserved to collect splinters on the bench. He was terrible.
Seems unnecessarily harsh. Pretty sure he bruised his hip hard and that may have affected his shot for the rest of the night. His drives were good and he knocked down 2 or 3 threes.
 
2019 Mock Draft | NBADraft.net

Wut? They got 2 of the first 41 picks on that mock board.

Shyok who transfered to ISU will likely get drafted.

The team we beat in Chicago has 2 guys who have played in the league 1 regular in Brogden and Perrantes who played for a team that made the finals in Cleveland last year.

YOU REFERENCED SOMEONE WHO LOST TO A 16 SEED TO INSULT A HOF COACH????????

Please tell me that was a troll post?
1) He should have said Bennett takes teams without top 40-ranked high schoolers and McD players and gets them to play elite basketball year after year.

2) It’s perfectly reasonable to reference a coach losing to a 16 seed, when ours has lost to a 15, and barely escaped a 16 Ashville(?). When that other coach is in his prime and is always at the top of his league and the ratings, and ours is on the bad end of his bell curve, and we can’t crack the top 25 or the bubble. Ask anyone in the know who is the better coach. Heck, ask anyone who isn’t a Syracuse alum or homer. The respect Boeheim gets in the media is a lot like the ‘respect’ a certain someone in politics used to get for his business acumen.
 
No just Tony Bennett should not deserve to be referenced until late March this year when he gets past a 16 seed as a better option than JB. Thats whats blasphemous. Once he makes it back to the sweet 16 fine we can gush all over him.
People used to say similar things about Jb. Until we happened to have the best player in college for one year. People used to say similar things about jay wright. The tournament is a slot machine.
 
People used to say similar things about Jb. Until we happened to have the best player in college for one year. People used to say similar things about jay wright. The tournament is a slot machine.

Not mention, glass houses... Remember Vermont??

The point is the quality of the play, the team getting better and some semblance of a buy-in of what is being coached. One-off bad losses happen... But stringing bad losses together over the course of a season is the issue.

I mean, do we have any tactical offensive plan to speak of?

I know we have plays that get called out of the half court set that use an iso pick-and-roll at different points on the arc, but that usually fizzles in the paint and it's back to hot potato around the horn to see who gets stuck having to lobb a bad trey... It looks like lazy playground ball, tbh.

It's like musical chairs a lot of the time... No one wants the ball and they pass it about with the goal of not getting stuck with the rock when the clock runs out. Players hiding... It's disturbing.
 
we don't seem to have a coordinated plan to attack and exploit weaknesses . it's basically one on one.
which worked great in the days when we had superior talent. that is no longer the case.
we have had just 2 ACC 1st team players. c.j. fair and raxmas. we now have to play better as a unit.
 
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Everyone is to blame.

The lack of an individual even attempting to use a back to the basket game is extremely troubling.

But the lack of shooting is mind melting. A LOT of missed open 3s and mid range jumpers yesterday.

Coaches and players seem to be out of answers.
 
we don't seem to have a coordinated plan to attack and exploit weaknesses . it's basically one on one.
which worked great in the days when we had superior talent. that is no longer the case.

The complete and utter lack of any inside game whatsoever makes the offense very anemic.
 
Good coaches get players to play to the best of their ability and develop and get better.

JB isn't delivering on that with this group.

There are likely a handful of reasons why this is the case, and player focus and buy--in is certainly a factor, but it's not where the majority of the blame lies.

It's a pretty sad state of affairs, tbh.
Roys Runts & Danforth!
 
After the losses it's the players. After the wins it's JB. Or vice versa depending on where you sit. I'm on the side that the paid professionals are responsible and hopefully accountable.
 
After the losses it's the players. After the wins it's JB. Or vice versa depending on where you sit. I'm on the side that the paid professionals are responsible and hopefully accountable.
Generals can’t blame the infantry.
 
How many SU teams through the years had no centers who could dribble, catch or shoot while Fine was here coaching? Coaching matters and it is currently letting us down. The players have not been prepared to win in practice and have not been put in position to succeed in games.
 
After recruiting and practice it's game time.

The coach is responsible for the strategy and tactics.
The players are responsible for the execution.
Both are awful this season...although at least the coach is trying to adapt by shuffling the lineup (like putting Chukwu in to shut down the GT inside game that was taking advantage of Marek).

When Boeheim shrugs and says the Orange just aren't hitting open shots to loosen up the defense ...he's not wrong.
But it's his job to find an alternative.
It can't be an acceptable strategy to keep bombing...to permit a team to chuck up 33 three pointers as if they had Steph Curry and Klay Thompson shooting them.
 
How many SU teams through the years had no centers who could dribble, catch or shoot while Fine was here coaching? Coaching matters and it is currently letting us down. The players have not been prepared to win in practice and have not been put in position to succeed in games.

It's a fair point. Bernie's baggage aside, he turned projects into players.

Onuaku was arguably one of his most successful projects...

Last I read Onuaku was on his second stint in the phillipines league, having bounced around through g league, NBA, Europe, China and Filipino pro leagues... Consummate pro at various levels...

I wonder if he has any coaching ambitions and can coach bigs with what he's learned??

Anyways, we need someone to improve the bigs play and actually develop some projects again.
 
Boeheim has setup his teams lately to be reliant on soul crushing physical effort on the defensive end.

When players are willing to play aggressive zone defense beyond the point of exhaustion, we win. We win ugly but we win. When the players mail it in on D we get ripped apart, only occasional saved by a hot 3 point shooting night.

Offense is talent, defense is effort. Is it coach's fault for recruiting a team so dependent on Herculean defensive effort? Or is it the players' fault for not delivering in a zone they were specifically recruited to play?
 

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