Boeheim most unlucky coach ever?

[strumpfasaurus]

Seriously has anyone been jipped in the tournament more than Boeheim. Maybe it's just because looking it through orange glasses but Boeheim could have four titles.

1987 Buzzer beater loss
1996 Face one of the greatest college teams of all time.
2010 We walk through the tournament with A.O.
2012 I think we lose to Kentucky but could have won.

I know Boeheim has a rep for under performing in the tournament but damn dude has ha some bad luck. The only other example I can think of is Cincinnati.

 

[HarrisonJBounel]

Seriously has anyone been jipped in the tournament more than Boeheim. Maybe it's just because looking it through orange glasses but Boeheim could have four titles.

1987 Buzzer beater loss
1996 Face one of the greatest college teams of all time.
2010 We walk through the tournament with A.O.
2012 I think we lose to Kentucky but could have won.

I know Boeheim has a rep for under performing in the tournament but damn dude has ha some bad luck. The only other example I can think of is Cincinnati.

Another aspect of this is look who we have put in NBA in recent years. Not trying to dis our players, but with the exception of Carmelo and now looks like Dion, they have had short and unproductive careers. Which is to say, JB has been doing this with precious little star-quality talent. Good players, arguably, but not like Duke or Carolina or Kentucky.

Plus, I would add 2000 when we had the eventual winner, Mich State, by double-digits in the second half when suddenly they make every stinking shot they throw up. And that was in the Silverdome, their virtual home court. What a hose job that was to begin with!

 

[jordoo]

I have always believed that we win with AO. Butler edged us and played Duke very close. Still we would have had to win the games, but Riley wasn't ready, Jackson stunk when we really needed him and KrisJo was banged up and not used to being a starter.

 

[Eric15]

Seriously has anyone been jipped in the tournament more than Boeheim. Maybe it's just because looking it through orange glasses but Boeheim could have four titles.

1987 Buzzer beater loss
1996 Face one of the greatest college teams of all time.
2010 We walk through the tournament with A.O.
2012 I think we lose to Kentucky but could have won.

I know Boeheim has a rep for under performing in the tournament but damn dude has ha some bad luck. The only other example I can think of is Cincinnati.

1987: it was "unlucky" for Keith Smart to make that incredibly difficult shot, but I still have no idea why we didn't call timeout immediately.

1996: if anything, that team was lucky, not unlucky. We had a very, very easy road to the championship game, and completed two miraculous plays (the Cipolla jumper and running Wallace three) to beat Georgia.

2010: that was genuinely unlucky - just horrible to have AO get hurt. Arguably SU's greatest team ever.

2012: I don't consider academic ineligibility (or whatever the reason was Fab was out) to be bad luck.

 

[strumpfasaurus]

1987: it was "unlucky" for Keith Smart to make that incredibly difficult shot, but I still have no idea why we didn't call timeout immediately.

1996: if anything, that team was lucky, not unlucky. We had a very, very easy road to the championship game, and completed two miraculous plays (the Cipolla jumper and running Wallace three) to beat Georgia.

2010: that was genuinely unlucky - just horrible to have AO get hurt. Arguably SU's greatest team ever.

2012: I don't consider academic ineligibility (or whatever the reason was Fab was out) to be bad luck.

2010, and 2012, were magnified 10 fold considering they were my sophomore and Senior year in college. Just ask Dsyr, Bnoro or Blacknight. Wanted a final four while we were there so bad.

 

[jordoo]

1987: it was "unlucky" for Keith Smart to make that incredibly difficult shot, but I still have no idea why we didn't call timeout immediately.

1996: if anything, that team was lucky, not unlucky. We had a very, very easy road to the championship game, and completed two miraculous plays (the Cipolla jumper and running Wallace three) to beat Georgia.

2010: that was genuinely unlucky - just horrible to have AO get hurt. Arguably SU's greatest team ever.

2012: I don't consider academic ineligibility (or whatever the reason was Fab was out) to be bad luck.

Agreed only 2010 was really unlucky. 1987 we had a big lead and missed Alford a bunch of times then missed FT's, then let them get the ball up the floor and shoot. We had our chances and didn't win.1996 we had no real business being there, we were the lucky ones. No one was going to stop UK that year although we were in the game until Wallace fouled out. Last year I'm convinced that the NCAA didn't want us in the final four because of the Fine thing and even with Fab they would have made sure we lost to OSU, but as you say either way him not playing isn't a luck issue.

 

[jdubs30]

1987: it was "unlucky" for Keith Smart to make that incredibly difficult shot, but I still have no idea why we didn't call timeout immediately.

1996: if anything, that team was lucky, not unlucky. We had a very, very easy road to the championship game, and completed two miraculous plays (the Cipolla jumper and running Wallace three) to beat Georgia.

2010: that was genuinely unlucky - just horrible to have AO get hurt. Arguably SU's greatest team ever.

2012: I don't consider academic ineligibility (or whatever the reason was Fab was out) to be bad luck.

It's bad luck in terms of the timing. Had Fab been ineligible in 2011, no biggie. It just happened to occur the year that we had a great shot to win a national title.

 

[br801]

Seriously has anyone been jipped in the tournament more than Boeheim. Maybe it's just because looking it through orange glasses but Boeheim could have four titles.

1987 Buzzer beater loss
1996 Face one of the greatest college teams of all time.
2010 We walk through the tournament with A.O.
2012 I think we lose to Kentucky but could have won.

I know Boeheim has a rep for under performing in the tournament but damn dude has ha some bad luck. The only other example I can think of is Cincinnati.

As you noted, he's put his team in position to win several times. 1987 will always hurt, and we'll always wonder what might have happened if the 2010 and 2012 teams were at full strength. But we caught a break in 2003 when Texas derailed UConn. In the end, you generally need a bit of luck to go all way. So one title, with legitimate opportunities to add another in the near future, isn't so bad or unluckly. Plus he did land Juli. That has to count for something.

 

[jdubs30]

Also, re: 2010, losing AO was brutal, but we should have got to the title game without him. We were absolutely horrible vs. Butler in the 1st half, and it had nothing to do with no AO (he would have helped though). Then we blew that lead in the end when Butler started hitting some crazy shots.

 

[HoustonCuse]

Another aspect of this is look who we have put in NBA in recent years. Not trying to dis our players, but with the exception of Carmelo and now looks like Dion, they have had short and unproductive careers. Which is to say, JB has been doing this with precious little star-quality talent. Good players, arguably, but not like Duke or Carolina or Kentucky.

Hold on a tick. Duke has a long history of great NBA players? You are selling Syracuse short here. JB has put several solid players into the NBA. Coleman, for all the crap he takes was a very good NBA player. Seikaly was a very good NBA player for a long time. Sherman Douglas was very solid too.

 

[PoppyHart]

Play the woulda coulda shoulda game and there are probably 10-15 coaches who could claim multiple titles, and a few could claim 4, 5 or more.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Seriously has anyone been jipped in the tournament more than Boeheim. Maybe it's just because looking it through orange glasses but Boeheim could have four titles.

1987 Buzzer beater loss
1996 Face one of the greatest college teams of all time.
2010 We walk through the tournament with A.O.
2012 I think we lose to Kentucky but could have won.

I know Boeheim has a rep for under performing in the tournament but damn dude has ha some bad luck. The only other example I can think of is Cincinnati.

Sherman Douglas sick and can't play.
Red Autry's shot from his knees waived off, lose by 1.
Moten TO against Arkansas.
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[HarrisonJBounel]

Hold on a tick. Duke has a long history of great NBA players? You are selling Syracuse short here. JB has put several solid players into the NBA. Coleman, for all the crap he takes was a very good NBA player. Seikaly was a very good NBA player for a long time. Sherman Douglas was very solid too.

Coleman, Seikaly, Douglas, and Owens were solid NBA players, but I was referring more to current NBA players. From Duke:

Former Duke Players Currently on NBA Rosters

PlayerPosHTWTBornBirth CityNationalityDraft YrNBA TeamGPPPGRPGAPG
Shane Battier F 6-8 220 Sep 9, 1978 Birmingham (MI) United States 2001 Heat 13 7.00 2.46 0.77
Carlos Boozer F 6-9 258 Nov 20, 1981 Aschaffenburg Germany
United States 2002 Bulls 12 14.00 9.75 2.00
Elton Brand F 6-8 275 Mar 11, 1979 Cortlandt Manor (NY) United States 1999 Mavericks 13 5.54 5.85 1.54
Luol Deng F 6-8 220 Apr 16, 1985 Wow England
South Sudan 2004 Bulls 12 17.83 7.50 2.58
Chris Duhon G 6-1 185 Aug 31, 1982 Mamou (LA) United States 2004 Lakers 10 3.10 1.10 2.20
Mike Dunleavy F-G 6-9 220 Sep 15, 1980 Fort Worth (TX) United States 2002 Bucks 11 12.27 5.36 2.45
Gerald Henderson G 6-5 215 Dec 9, 1987 Caldwell (NJ) United States 2009 Bobcats 2 12.50 2.00 2.50
Grant Hill F-G 6-8 225 Oct 5, 1972 Dallas (TX) United States 1994 Clippers - - - -
Kyrie Irving G 6-3 191 Mar 23, 1992 Melbourne United States
Australia 2011 Cavaliers 10 22.90 3.70 5.60
Dahntay Jones G-F 6-6 210 Dec 27, 1980 Trenton (NJ) United States 2003 Mavericks 14 2.93 1.71 0.43
Corey Maggette F 6-6 218 Nov 12, 1979 Melrose Park (IL) United States 1999 Pistons 5 6.40 1.20 1.20
Josh McRoberts F 6-10 240 Feb 28, 1987 Indianapolis (IN) United States 2007 Magic 12 4.50 3.42 1.00
Miles Plumlee PF 7-0 252 Sep 1, 1988 Warsaw (IN) United States 2012 Pacers 4 1.00 1.25 0.25
J.J. Redick G 6-4 190 Jun 24, 1984 Cookeville (TN) United States 2006 Magic 11 14.27 2.00 5.27
Austin Rivers SG 6-4 200 Aug 1, 1992 Winter Park (FL) United States 2012 Hornets 10 7.00 2.00 2.90
Kyle Singler F 6-8 228 May 4, 1988 Medford (OR) United States 2011 Pistons 13 8.85 2.69 0.62
Nolan Smith G 6-2 185 Jul 25, 1988 Louisville (KY) United States 2011 Trail Blazers 7 1.71 0.29 0.57
Lance Thomas F 6-8 225 Apr 24, 1988 Brooklyn (NY) United States 2010 Hornets 6 4.17 2.17 0.00
Elliot Williams G 6-5 183 Jun 20, 1989 Memphis (TN) United States 2010 Trail Blazers - - -
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[HarrisonJBounel]

Coleman, Seikaly, Douglas, and Owens were solid NBA players, but I was referring more to current NBA players. From Duke:

Former Duke Players Currently on NBA Rosters

PlayerPosHTWTBornBirth CityNationalityDraft YrNBA TeamGPPPGRPGAPG
Shane Battier F 6-8 220 Sep 9, 1978 Birmingham (MI) United States 2001 Heat 13 7.00 2.46 0.77
Carlos Boozer F 6-9 258 Nov 20, 1981 Aschaffenburg Germany
United States 2002 Bulls 12 14.00 9.75 2.00
Elton Brand F 6-8 275 Mar 11, 1979 Cortlandt Manor (NY) United States 1999 Mavericks 13 5.54 5.85 1.54
Luol Deng F 6-8 220 Apr 16, 1985 Wow England
South Sudan 2004 Bulls 12 17.83 7.50 2.58
Chris Duhon G 6-1 185 Aug 31, 1982 Mamou (LA) United States 2004 Lakers 10 3.10 1.10 2.20
Mike Dunleavy F-G 6-9 220 Sep 15, 1980 Fort Worth (TX) United States 2002 Bucks 11 12.27 5.36 2.45
Gerald Henderson G 6-5 215 Dec 9, 1987 Caldwell (NJ) United States 2009 Bobcats 2 12.50 2.00 2.50
Grant Hill F-G 6-8 225 Oct 5, 1972 Dallas (TX) United States 1994 Clippers - - - -
Kyrie Irving G 6-3 191 Mar 23, 1992 Melbourne United States
Australia 2011 Cavaliers 10 22.90 3.70 5.60
Dahntay Jones G-F 6-6 210 Dec 27, 1980 Trenton (NJ) United States 2003 Mavericks 14 2.93 1.71 0.43
Corey Maggette F 6-6 218 Nov 12, 1979 Melrose Park (IL) United States 1999 Pistons 5 6.40 1.20 1.20
Josh McRoberts F 6-10 240 Feb 28, 1987 Indianapolis (IN) United States 2007 Magic 12 4.50 3.42 1.00
Miles Plumlee PF 7-0 252 Sep 1, 1988 Warsaw (IN) United States 2012 Pacers 4 1.00 1.25 0.25
J.J. Redick G 6-4 190 Jun 24, 1984 Cookeville (TN) United States 2006 Magic 11 14.27 2.00 5.27
Austin Rivers SG 6-4 200 Aug 1, 1992 Winter Park (FL) United States 2012 Hornets 10 7.00 2.00 2.90
Kyle Singler F 6-8 228 May 4, 1988 Medford (OR) United States 2011 Pistons 13 8.85 2.69 0.62
Nolan Smith G 6-2 185 Jul 25, 1988 Louisville (KY) United States 2011 Trail Blazers 7 1.71 0.29 0.57
Lance Thomas F 6-8 225 Apr 24, 1988 Brooklyn (NY) United States 2010 Hornets 6 4.17 2.17 0.00
Elliot Williams G 6-5 183 Jun 20, 1989 Memphis (TN) United States 2010 Trail Blazers - - -
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SU is down to Carmelo, Waiters, and Warrick, IIRC.

 

[rstone7727]

Not really fair to compare all those Duke players to Cuse players. Most of them were top 5 star recruits coming out of high school. You can't compare Dukes high school recruits to ours. (Apples and Oranges).

 

[HarrisonJBounel]

Not really fair to compare all those Duke players to Cuse players. Most of them were top 5 star recruits coming out of high school. You can't compare Dukes high school recruits to ours. (Apples and Oranges).

Glad you agree. I was responding to post #10. I was doing so to compliment JB on his coaching success despite the relative lack of top-quality players.

 

[thebigeast44]

Have you seen his wife I have a feeling JB feels he's the luckiest guy in the world most days.

 

[SaltLakeOrange]

The Moten time out was the worst! Had we won that game I'm convinced we would of walked to the FF. After that, who knows...

 

[HarrisonJBounel]

Play the woulda coulda shoulda game and there are probably 10-15 coaches who could claim multiple titles, and a few could claim 4, 5 or more.

It's like poker tournaments. How many bad beat stories do the non-winners have? Or many champs sucked out to win? Joe Cada is the poster boy for that one.

 

[MCC]

SU is down to Carmelo, Waiters, and Warrick, IIRC.

Add Wes Johnson, I think.

 

[HarrisonJBounel]

Add Wes Johnson, I think.

If you have to think, he ain't making much of an impact. I thought he was in the D-League, but I was wrong.

He's basically the last man on the Suns, and they've announced they won't keep him beyond this season.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2012/10/31/3581240/suns-decline-team-option-on-wesley-johnson

 

[HoustonCuse]

I guess when there is nothing to gripe about with our actual team, we are reduced to griping about our former players in a different league. The number of posts whining about this should be a litmus test for current success of our actual current team.

 

[orange79]

Add Wes Johnson, I think.

Donte Greene?

 

[OttoMets]

Also, re: 2010, losing AO was brutal, but we should have got to the title game without him. We were absolutely horrible vs. Butler in the 1st half, and it had nothing to do with no AO (he would have helped though). Then we blew that lead in the end when Butler started hitting some crazy shots.

Yes. Very good points. We didn't come to play against Butler; got behind 9 or 11 to nothing. Losing Arinze didn't cause us to lose to Butler.

 

[OttoMets]

Sherman Douglas sick and can't play.
Red Autry's shot from his knees waived off, lose by 1.
Moten TO against Arkansas.
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Regarding Autry against Missouri, we lost by about ten.

Was a bad call, though.