Broyld bumped up

[OttoinGrotto]

I still believe things are trending in the right direction and have faith in our coaches evaluation ability. This has been proven multiple times in the fact that other schools come after our recruits late in the process and the success our recruits have on the field as seniors. Look at Whigham, a relative unknown to start the process. Eskridge last year, a kid I think a lot of us are excited about.

I think we need to see more guys outperform their ranking and raise the level of play on the team before we can definitively say that our coach's evaluation ability is proven.

 

[007]

I know.. weird to me too. I fully understand that I could never evaluate high school talent and project their college positions. I too understand that high school QBs are generally your best athlete unless the person is 280 lbs.. That said, even the prep school played him at QB and he fared very well.. While I wouldn't compare Broyld to Tyrod Taylor or Mike Vick just due to lack of comparison when it comes to body type, speed and arm strength, but I would say that his gameplay would seem to emulate theirs well. Do you need a Tyrod or Vick talent to be that successful at the college level?

It's a good question, but I am not so convinced that Broyld "fared very well" at Milford. From the stats I could find, he was 31-56, for 427 yds, 6TDs and 1 int. Rushing: 39 x for 359 (9.2 ypc). I remember reading preseason of talk of changing his position at Milford. From the outside looking in, and with little kknowledge other than stats and a few youtube clips, it does not look like Broyld will project at QB in college.

http://www.milfordacademy.org/players-abroyld.html

 

[Finwad32]

I think we need to see more guys outperform their ranking and raise the level of play on the team before we can definitively say that our coach's evaluation ability is proven.

Fair enough, I'm an admitted optimist. That being said I do firmly believe we're seeing recruiting trending in a positive direction for multiple reasons. Could I be wrong? Absolutely, I'm not watching hours of these kids on tape or seeing them live. But I do like the Georgia connection, as well as Florida. I'm also encouraged by our recruits size and athleticism. Without doing the research I'd also assume we're competing with more BCS Conference teams on the recruiting front than in the previous 8 years. In your opinion are these things indicative of our coaches evaluation ability?

 

[RMH44]

It's a good question, but I am not so convinced that Broyld "fared very well" at Milford. From the stats I could find, he was 31-56, for 427 yds, 6TDs and 1 int. Rushing: 39 x for 359 (9.2 ypc). I remember reading preseason of talk of changing his position at Milford. From the outside looking in, and with little kknowledge other than stats and a few youtube clips, it does not look like Broyld will project at QB in college.

http://www.milfordacademy.org/players-abroyld.html

It was mentioned here that AB was splitting time until he was injured. It was also mentioned that he was very impressive when he did play.

 

[orangenauburn]

It's a good question, but I am not so convinced that Broyld "fared very well" at Milford. From the stats I could find, he was 31-56, for 427 yds, 6TDs and 1 int. Rushing: 39 x for 359 (9.2 ypc). I remember reading preseason of talk of changing his position at Milford. From the outside looking in, and with little kknowledge other than stats and a few youtube clips, it does not look like Broyld will project at QB in college.

http://www.milfordacademy.org/players-abroyld.html

they played 3 QB's, and he missed time with a minor injury

 

[OrangeAl]

It's a good question, but I am not so convinced that Broyld "fared very well" at Milford. From the stats I could find, he was 31-56, for 427 yds, 6TDs and 1 int. Rushing: 39 x for 359 (9.2 ypc). I remember reading preseason of talk of changing his position at Milford. From the outside looking in, and with little kknowledge other than stats and a few youtube clips, it does not look like Broyld will project at QB in college.

http://www.milfordacademy.org/players-abroyld.html

Milford needs to catch up with their stats. They finished the season with some really impressive wins, but no stats are available. I'm guessing AB completed a pass or two in those games.

 

[007]

Milford needs to catch up with their stats. They finished the season with some really impressive wins, but no stats are available. I'm guessing AB completed a pass or two in those games.

Found this from TNIABM:

"In Milford's 44-0 win over Delaware Valley back on October 17th, Ashton Broyld (QB, 6'3", 225) was 2-5 for 41 yards and a touchdown, and ran the ball three times for 19 yards and a two-point conversion. In their October 23rd 40-16 win over Wagner, Broyld had a 20 yard touchdown pass, as well as an eight yard touchdown run and another run for a two-point conversion. Tyree Smallwood (HB, 5'10", 165), had a nice bounce-back game with eight rushes for 87 yards. Milford won their tenth straight game of the season against Erie Community College on October 29th, with a 40-26 win. Broyld had 68 yards rushing for two touchdowns. When Milford posts full stats, I'll post them as soon as possible.

It should be noted that Broyld was limited over the last few games due to injury, and players will always tend to get limited plays because of how often Milford rotates its players."

http://www.nunesmagician.com/2011/1...hing-up-with-the-commits-checking-in-with-the

Then there is this scouting report refering to him as an "athlete":


Ashton Broyld is a 6-3, 235-pound Athlete from New Berlin, NY. He is ranked No. 13 in the country by 247Sports.
Broyld is the No. 3 recruit in New York (NY) and is the No. 1 Athlete in the nation.
Broyld has a 247Sports rating of 83, making him a 3-star prospect.
He has committed to Syracuse.

http://247sports.com/Player/Ashton-Broyld-15277

 

[Whitey23]

#1 in the nation!!! Haha

 

[44cuse]

Helps our class rank too...not that the class rank means a damn thing...

We are ranked 44 now...hmmmmmm...

Just curious...why do you think class rank means nothing?

44cuse

 

[Aweart23]

Just curious...why do you think class rank means nothing?

44cuse

Sorry I wasn't clear...not that it means nothing

While there is some merit to the star system, I'm just not sure how much class rank translates to success on the field. (Lavar Lobdell- 5 stars, Mike Williams- 2 stars).

Sure, I'd rather have a class rank at 44 than a class rank at 88...but what does it really mean?

 

[Orangepace]

Found this from TNIABM:

"In Milford's 44-0 win over Delaware Valley back on October 17th, Ashton Broyld (QB, 6'3", 225) was 2-5 for 41 yards and a touchdown, and ran the ball three times for 19 yards and a two-point conversion. In their October 23rd 40-16 win over Wagner, Broyld had a 20 yard touchdown pass, as well as an eight yard touchdown run and another run for a two-point conversion. Tyree Smallwood (HB, 5'10", 165), had a nice bounce-back game with eight rushes for 87 yards. Milford won their tenth straight game of the season against Erie Community College on October 29th, with a 40-26 win. Broyld had 68 yards rushing for two touchdowns. When Milford posts full stats, I'll post them as soon as possible.

It should be noted that Broyld was limited over the last few games due to injury, and players will always tend to get limited plays because of how often Milford rotates its players."

http://www.nunesmagician.com/2011/1...hing-up-with-the-commits-checking-in-with-the

Then there is this scouting report refering to him as an "athlete":

Ashton Broyld is a 6-3, 235-pound Athlete from New Berlin, NY. He is ranked No. 13 in the country by 247Sports.
Broyld is the No. 3 recruit in New York (NY) and is the No. 1 Athlete in the nation.
Broyld has a 247Sports rating of 83, making him a 3-star prospect.
He has committed to Syracuse.

http://247sports.com/Player/Ashton-Broyld-15277

Great detective work! Thanks for doing this.. maybe he doesn't project well, but with Ron in the fold, was hoping he'd be something other than a TE..

 

[007]

Great detective work! Thanks for doing this.. maybe he doesn't project well, but with Ron in the fold, was hoping he'd be something other than a TE..

I think he will get a shot at QB.

 

[Dmcnabbrules]

I think he will get a shot at QB.

Why not. Ryan Nassib is going to start and take all the snaps next year. After that let Kinder, Hunt, and Broyld slug it out, can always move Broyld after if he looses. Kevin Johnson ended up being ok.

 

[007]

Why not. Ryan Nassib is going to start and take all the snaps next year. After that let Kinder, Hunt, and Broyld slug it out, can always move Broyld after if he looses. Kevin Johnson ended up being ok.

I am very much all for giving AB a shot at QB and I hope he blows the coaches away with his ability to make plays. I suspect the writing might already be on the wall for Kinder, or else he would have had a package or two this year. Hunt intrigues me. Someone needs to take some snaps behind Nasssib next year. I also think that DM has to go "all in" next year to make a bowl.

 

[SWC75]

That's awesome. Hope dm at least gives him a look at qb. He seems to play it well as a mobile qb.

I'd like to see Ashton as a running back lined up next to Hunt as a QB. That wcould be quite a combination, one with alot of strategical possiblities.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

I'd like to see Ashton as a running back lined up next to Hunt as a QB. That wcould be quite a combination, one with alot of strategical possiblities.

Isn't 6'4" too tall to be a RB?

 

[SWC75]

Isn't 6'4" too tall to be a RB?

Why? Jim Brown was 6-2, Larry Csonka 6-3

 

[44cuse]

Sorry I wasn't clear...not that it means nothing

While there is some merit to the star system, I'm just not sure how much class rank translates to success on the field. (Lavar Lobdell- 5 stars, Mike Williams- 2 stars).

Sure, I'd rather have a class rank at 44 than a class rank at 88...but what does it really mean?

I figured that is what you meant, but it still feels like some think calss rank does not matter. I have not done any of the research in years, but in general, the better you recruit the more games you are going to win. So when taken in the aggregate, if you are recruiting a bunch of ranked kids...you are going to win games. There of course exceptions, but in general a high recruiting ranking would seem to leed to victories.

44cuse

 

[Aweart23]

I figured that is what you meant, but it still feels like some think calss rank does not matter. I have not done any of the research in years, but in general, the better you recruit the more games you are going to win. So when taken in the aggregate, if you are recruiting a bunch of ranked kids...you are going to win games. There of course exceptions, but in general a high recruiting ranking would seem to leed to victories.

44cuse

I won't argue with you there...the better you recruit the more games you are going to win...Ultimately, Doug and friends success is going to be dependent on how well they have recruited, and how well they can get the recruits to perform..

Merry Christmas

 

[44cuse]

I won't argue with you there...the better you recruit the more games you are going to win...Ultimately, Doug and friends success is going to be dependent on how well they have recruited, and how well they can get the recruits to perform..

Merry Christmas

I agree wholeheartedly. And I know it's a simplistic statement (get the players, get them to perform), but that really is what it comes down to. The variance is that a coach can deploy a scheme to cover a weakness or exploit a strength. See: Rodriguez, Rich. Figured out how to win in the Big East. Did not work in the Big Ten.

I have a lot of (at this point what I think is somewhat irrational faith in Marrone) faith in DM, but what I saw last year was a guy trying to line up with a style that was not working...over and over again...last year. I do not believe we had the horses to do what he wanted to do last year and failed to adjust.

Establishing or re-establishing a program is a really hard thing. And making adjustments becomes critical. Get the players, get them to perform, and get them to perfo in a system where they can be successful.

IMO, it all starts up front.

Merry Christmas to you as well.

44cuse

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I'd like to see Ashton as a running back lined up next to Hunt as a QB. That wcould be quite a combination, one with alot of strategical possiblities.

I fully endorse these kinds of ideas. I'd love to see someone uncork an offense that has two or three guys on the field at any one time that may actually throw a pass downfield.

 

[xc84]

I figured that is what you meant, but it still feels like some think calss rank does not matter. I have not done any of the research in years, but in general, the better you recruit the more games you are going to win. So when taken in the aggregate, if you are recruiting a bunch of ranked kids...you are going to win games. There of course exceptions, but in general a high recruiting ranking would seem to leed to victories.

44cuse

Maybe the more games you win, the better you have recruited. I have never seen any complete study on how rankings really predict college game success. It seems that one of the recruiting sites would create such a study if it supported their rankings. Seems very conspicuous that there are none. And, let's face it, as soon as the big schools recruit a kid, his rankings get a boost. So, are the rankings, in many cases, just a tail light to tell us that the big schools like the kid? Who is really the judge of the talent? The sites or the schools?

 

[44cuse]

Maybe the more games you win, the better you have recruited. I have never seen any complete study on how rankings really predict college game success. It seems that one of the recruiting sites would create such a study if it supported their rankings. Seems very conspicuous that there are none. And, let's face it, as soon as the big schools recruit a kid, his rankings get a boost. So, are the rankings, in many cases, just a tail light to tell us that the big schools like the kid? Who is really the judge of the talent? The sites or the schools?

I know what you are saying, but I've never really bought that argument. I do agree that the rankings can and do go up when the bigger schools get involved. But, the rankings are rankings those kids in the first place and the successful programs are good talent evaluators. So what difference does it make?

You recruit good talent and you get the most out of that talent and you win. The rankings guys know who are going to be good and so do the big schools. You have to dod something to get you in the race. SU has not been in the race for a long long time. And if you are not in the race, you better have some type of scheme that makes you attractive to a certain type of player that can help you win.

Right now, SU has neither of those things.

44cuse

 

[xc84]

I know what you are saying, but I've never really bought that argument. I do agree that the rankings can and do go up when the bigger schools get involved. But, the rankings are rankings those kids in the first place and the successful programs are good talent evaluators. So what difference does it make?

You recruit good talent and you get the most out of that talent and you win. The rankings guys know who are going to be good and so do the big schools. You have to dod something to get you in the race. SU has not been in the race for a long long time. And if you are not in the race, you better have some type of scheme that makes you attractive to a certain type of player that can help you win.

Right now, SU has neither of those things.

44cuse

I'd still like to see some studies. How about a breakdown of all players in a class year by how many stars they had from one of these agencies and whether they made it to the NFL. I am not saying it wouldn't be skewed toward the higher number of stars but I'd at least like to see something. I wonder why the agencies don't do it.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I'd still like to see some studies. How about a breakdown of all players in a class year by how many stars they had from one of these agencies and whether they made it to the NFL. I am not saying it wouldn't be skewed toward the higher number of stars but I'd at least like to see something. I wonder why the agencies don't do it.

Dude from SI did that like last year.