I posted this previously but wanted to do so again. People continually complain and still can't grasp why we didn't get Brunson or another PG such as JaQuan Newton. Well if you read the following you might see the impact of players declaring early and sanctions had.
I’m not close enough to recruiting to have any idea about the complete inside story but here's some very simple math and dates which might shed some light on the PG misses. Things become a little clearer when looking at dates and it’s not so easy to just crap on the staff for not getting kid x or kid y.
Commitment Dates to keep in Mind:
· JaQuan Newton commits to Miami 8/7/13
· Jalen Brunson commits to Nova 9/10/14
· Tyler Lydon commits to Syracuse 10/17/13
· Malachi commit to Syracuse 12/13/13
· Howard commit to Syracuse 4/14/14
· Diagne commit to Syracuse 6/1/14
· Kaleb Joseph commit to Syracuse 8/7/13
· Chris McCullough 11/5/12
Transfer Dates:
· Patterson and BJ announce transfer March 20, 2015
NBA Declaration Dates:
· Tyler Ennis declares March 27, 2014
· Jerami Grant declares April 14, 2014
· Chris McCullough declares April 2, 2015
Sanction Dates:
· March 6, 2015: Reduction of 12 scholarships over 4 year period
o 3 scholarships lost in 2015-16
o 3 scholarships lost in 2016-17
o 3 scholarships lost in 2017-18
o 3 scholarships lost in 2018-19
· December 2015 NCAA announces reduction to 8 lost scholarships and will accept Syracuse plan to use 3 scholarships in 2014-15 (so the adjusted penalties)
o 3 scholarships lost in 2014-15
o 2 scholarships lost in 2015-16
o 2 scholarship lost in 2016-17
o 1 scholarship lost in 2017-18
Syracuse Roster Size:
· 2013-14 roster of 12 scholarship players (Gbinijie, Cooney, Ennis, Grant, Fair, Christmas, Keita, Coleman, Roberson, Patterson, BJ, Obokoh)
· 2014-15 roster of 10 scholarship players (Gbinijie, Cooney, Christmas, McCullough, Coleman, Roberson, Joseph, Patterson, BJ, Obokoh)
Why no Jaquan Newtown in the 2014-15 class?
· Very simply we prioritized Kaleb Joseph over JaQuan Newtown in the summer of 2013. Kaleb was ranked a bit higher (overall and as a point guard). There was not a chance to take both. They were both in the same class and both signed on the same day with respective schools. If Joseph was a miss he was missed by all other major recruiting services too.
· As seen above, the 2013-14 roster consisted of 12 players and only two were seniors (Fair and Keita). Ennis and Grant were expected to return and did not announce until March and April of 2014 (well after recruiting season was done).
· The 2014-15 roster would have been 12 under the assumption Ennis and Grant returned and Joseph and McCullough joined the team
· If we took Newtown as the 3rd point guard it would have been an unnecessary PG luxury. Additionally, the option to take any scholarship reductions in 2014-15 upon NCAA appeal would not have existed. We would have been at 13 scholarships. Taking a 3 scholarship reduction a year early was actually a very good result.
Why no Jalen Brunson in the 2015-16 class?
· Follow the timelines once again and it’s easy to see why he may not have been prioritized.
· We enter the 2014-15 season with a 10 player roster with Christmas as the only senior.
· We have already gotten 4 commitments and all these commitments are early and well before Kaleb plays his first game in the 2014-15 season. There is no chance to evaluate in real game situations.
· 2 of these commitments are very early (Malachi and Lydon (Oct and Dec 2013) and occur before Ennis declares, before Grant declares). This is important as Jimmy and staff assume they already have two very good PG prospects on next year’s roster (Ennis and a highly recruited Joseph)
· By the time Ennis declares (which surprises the staff and they express their disagreement with his decision) the ship has sailed with Brunson and he has a prioritized list of 5 that does not include us. Who knows if we tried to get back in but top tier players usually have enough top tier interest and ignore last minute begging.
· Remember this is the season sanctions hit (March 6, 2015).
o Post sanction BJ and Patterson announce transfer March 22, 2015
o McCullough declares April 2, 2015
· When all things shake out the roster size sits at 10. NCAA penalties result in loss of 3 scholarships for 2015-16 so having 10 is the only number that can work. Only later did we find out the Diagne was ruled ineligible and in December we received a reduction in scholarship losses.
· However, after the March 6, 2015 penalties we could not have been higher than 10 scholarships so there was no room at the inn for Brunson!
When you look at the whole situation it becomes a lot more complicated. Simple saying the staff missed the boat on these key recruits does not take into account the scholarship situation and the timing of various announcements.
By the way, Ja'Quan Newton would not help at all. He averages 8pts a game as senior, 2.8 Ass and 2.0 Turnovers and shoots 13% from 3 pt land.
Everyone also could not believe the staff passed on Isiah Washington during the Quade fiasco. He was the second coming blah blah blah. Quiet on the front now. Guess what? Maybe the staff was right to not follow board guidance. Washington is averaging 7pts a game 2.3 ass and 1.6 turnovers. He's shooting a whopping 18% from three.
Sanctions limited our chances for Thomas Bryant, eliminated our chances for Huerter and magnified recruiting misses and unexpected early departures. Anyone who can't see that and make a connection between our tremendous run pre-sanctions (2009-2014) and then our downward trend post sanctions (2015-18) is either oblivious or too stubborn.
Cuse!
I’m not close enough to recruiting to have any idea about the complete inside story but here's some very simple math and dates which might shed some light on the PG misses. Things become a little clearer when looking at dates and it’s not so easy to just crap on the staff for not getting kid x or kid y.
Commitment Dates to keep in Mind:
· JaQuan Newton commits to Miami 8/7/13
· Jalen Brunson commits to Nova 9/10/14
· Tyler Lydon commits to Syracuse 10/17/13
· Malachi commit to Syracuse 12/13/13
· Howard commit to Syracuse 4/14/14
· Diagne commit to Syracuse 6/1/14
· Kaleb Joseph commit to Syracuse 8/7/13
· Chris McCullough 11/5/12
Transfer Dates:
· Patterson and BJ announce transfer March 20, 2015
NBA Declaration Dates:
· Tyler Ennis declares March 27, 2014
· Jerami Grant declares April 14, 2014
· Chris McCullough declares April 2, 2015
Sanction Dates:
· March 6, 2015: Reduction of 12 scholarships over 4 year period
o 3 scholarships lost in 2015-16
o 3 scholarships lost in 2016-17
o 3 scholarships lost in 2017-18
o 3 scholarships lost in 2018-19
· December 2015 NCAA announces reduction to 8 lost scholarships and will accept Syracuse plan to use 3 scholarships in 2014-15 (so the adjusted penalties)
o 3 scholarships lost in 2014-15
o 2 scholarships lost in 2015-16
o 2 scholarship lost in 2016-17
o 1 scholarship lost in 2017-18
Syracuse Roster Size:
· 2013-14 roster of 12 scholarship players (Gbinijie, Cooney, Ennis, Grant, Fair, Christmas, Keita, Coleman, Roberson, Patterson, BJ, Obokoh)
· 2014-15 roster of 10 scholarship players (Gbinijie, Cooney, Christmas, McCullough, Coleman, Roberson, Joseph, Patterson, BJ, Obokoh)
Why no Jaquan Newtown in the 2014-15 class?
· Very simply we prioritized Kaleb Joseph over JaQuan Newtown in the summer of 2013. Kaleb was ranked a bit higher (overall and as a point guard). There was not a chance to take both. They were both in the same class and both signed on the same day with respective schools. If Joseph was a miss he was missed by all other major recruiting services too.
· As seen above, the 2013-14 roster consisted of 12 players and only two were seniors (Fair and Keita). Ennis and Grant were expected to return and did not announce until March and April of 2014 (well after recruiting season was done).
· The 2014-15 roster would have been 12 under the assumption Ennis and Grant returned and Joseph and McCullough joined the team
· If we took Newtown as the 3rd point guard it would have been an unnecessary PG luxury. Additionally, the option to take any scholarship reductions in 2014-15 upon NCAA appeal would not have existed. We would have been at 13 scholarships. Taking a 3 scholarship reduction a year early was actually a very good result.
Why no Jalen Brunson in the 2015-16 class?
· Follow the timelines once again and it’s easy to see why he may not have been prioritized.
· We enter the 2014-15 season with a 10 player roster with Christmas as the only senior.
· We have already gotten 4 commitments and all these commitments are early and well before Kaleb plays his first game in the 2014-15 season. There is no chance to evaluate in real game situations.
· 2 of these commitments are very early (Malachi and Lydon (Oct and Dec 2013) and occur before Ennis declares, before Grant declares). This is important as Jimmy and staff assume they already have two very good PG prospects on next year’s roster (Ennis and a highly recruited Joseph)
· By the time Ennis declares (which surprises the staff and they express their disagreement with his decision) the ship has sailed with Brunson and he has a prioritized list of 5 that does not include us. Who knows if we tried to get back in but top tier players usually have enough top tier interest and ignore last minute begging.
· Remember this is the season sanctions hit (March 6, 2015).
o Post sanction BJ and Patterson announce transfer March 22, 2015
o McCullough declares April 2, 2015
· When all things shake out the roster size sits at 10. NCAA penalties result in loss of 3 scholarships for 2015-16 so having 10 is the only number that can work. Only later did we find out the Diagne was ruled ineligible and in December we received a reduction in scholarship losses.
· However, after the March 6, 2015 penalties we could not have been higher than 10 scholarships so there was no room at the inn for Brunson!
When you look at the whole situation it becomes a lot more complicated. Simple saying the staff missed the boat on these key recruits does not take into account the scholarship situation and the timing of various announcements.
By the way, Ja'Quan Newton would not help at all. He averages 8pts a game as senior, 2.8 Ass and 2.0 Turnovers and shoots 13% from 3 pt land.
Everyone also could not believe the staff passed on Isiah Washington during the Quade fiasco. He was the second coming blah blah blah. Quiet on the front now. Guess what? Maybe the staff was right to not follow board guidance. Washington is averaging 7pts a game 2.3 ass and 1.6 turnovers. He's shooting a whopping 18% from three.
Sanctions limited our chances for Thomas Bryant, eliminated our chances for Huerter and magnified recruiting misses and unexpected early departures. Anyone who can't see that and make a connection between our tremendous run pre-sanctions (2009-2014) and then our downward trend post sanctions (2015-18) is either oblivious or too stubborn.
Cuse!
