Bryant's mother

[br801]

OH dear GOD. Will someone please shut this thread down?!!! Lock it up. The kid didn't really want to come here and no matter how big the guilt trip was from mama, he wasn't giving in. So that's done. Time to move on and figure out what we do have on the hill.

The bolded part is dead on, but threads like this should never be locked because the humor they generate (intentional and unintentional) is much needed around here.

 

[SBU72]

It was the only strategy that was going to work for us. Mom wanted him home, player desperately wanted away from home (mom). Player won out.

Not a situation where anyone should be blamed.

Player didn't want to hurt moms feelings, but wanted to leave home.

It's why you're getting two stories.

If mom asked the player why he didn't want to go to Syracuse, he told her "I haven't heard from Coach"...or some other story.

We knew if the choice was up to the player, we were dead. So we worked the only angle we had - mom.

Kid chooses IU.

Now mom throws Syracuse's program under the bus and the player, knowing that wasn't the reason why he choose Indiana, comes to our defense and backs offs mom's story.

Welcome to the world of recruiting. Now back track on all those stories you've read about this recruitment and all the pieces start to make sense.

And people forget he was no longer a NYS kid. Hasn't been for 2 years. He goes to school in West Virginia. It wasn't like any of the staff could drive down the thruway evenings to watch him play.

 

[two3zone]

There's a difference between wrong strategy and inaccurate assumptions. From the sound of things, this is a case of the latter. What strategy were we supposed to use, move campus a few hundred miles farther from Rochester?

Mom wasn't moving into his dorm room nor traveling an hour a way every day to see him. I'm sorry, you have zero idea, nor I have zero idea if mom is the reason he didn't come here. You nor anybody else, myself included, know what his relationship is with her and it's a stinking cop out just to say that's the reason. Going by everything that's transpired, and the comments he's made, it doesn't sound like we contacted him very much and the IU guys were campaigning hard for him to go there. We went for mom, which seems like was a strategy.

 

[rrlbees]

Mom wasn't moving into his dorm room nor traveling an hour a way every day to see him. I'm sorry, you have zero idea, nor I have zero idea if mom is the reason he didn't come here. You nor anybody else, myself included, know what his relationship is with her and it's a stinking cop out just to say that's the reason. Going by everything that's transpired, and the comments he's made, it doesn't sound like we contacted him very much and the IU guys were campaigning hard for him to go there. We went for mom, which seems like was a strategy.

Ignored Jakes response to you huh?

 

[two3zone]

Ignored Jakes response to you huh?

Was there anything in there that disproves anything I said? He admits we went after the one angle we had and that was mom. I think that's all I've said in this post and have been saying for quite some time. I call that strategy and that particular strategy failed, did it not?

 

[jvbj01]

Isn't it quite silly to be arguing about this? Lol...

Thomas grew up in our back yard, but chose to go elsewhere. Oh well... Look at all of the other backyards that this coaching staff walked into and walked out with big time players. It happened and we move on.

Good luck to TB. If he is happy, that is what counts.

 

[sufandu]

Mom wasn't moving into his dorm room nor traveling an hour a way every day to see him. I'm sorry, you have zero idea, nor I have zero idea if mom is the reason he didn't come here. You nor anybody else, myself included, know what his relationship is with her and it's a stinking cop out just to say that's the reason. Going by everything that's transpired, and the comments he's made, it doesn't sound like we contacted him very much and the IU guys were campaigning hard for him to go there. We went for mom, which seems like was a strategy.

I never said it had anything to do with mom. Sometimes a kid just wants to get away from home. It could be that simple. Suggesting that we used faulty strategy, as you did, just because we didn't get a kid, is idiotic. You have no clue as to what strategy was used and if a more effective one was available.

 

[two3zone]

I never said it had anything to do with mom. Sometimes a kid just wants to get away from home. It could be that simple. Suggesting that we used faulty strategy, as you did, just because we didn't get a kid, is idiotic. You have no clue as to what strategy was used and if a more effective one was available.

From everything put into print as of today it surely sounds like the strategy was going after mom.

 

[sufandu]

From everything put into print as of today it surely sounds like the strategy was going after mom.

I'm not sure why this is so hard for you to understand. How does anyone know exactly what went on behind the scenes the last few years except for the Bryant and the coaches. Do you honestly think we only talked to his mom over the course of a few years? We didn't ever pitch playing time? We never pitched the opportunity to play against Duke, UNC, Louisville, etc? We never pointed out that we send guys to the NBA? We never said or did anything else to express our interest and explain why we felt as if we thought SU was the best school for him? I doubt it. Maybe influencing mom became the last ditch effort when other strategies were not working. Maybe the coaching staff lessened communication with him when they realized their last ditch effort was just as fruitless as other strategies. Maybe nothing the staff could do was going to get him to come here. Suggesting a faulty strategy is THE reason he chose a school other than SU is idiotic.

 

[4the Dubs]

Lol it's baffling that this continues to cause arguments on here. He chose another school and for that we should all hope we play Indiana in the tournament. As we all know this game is about dubs and Creepy Crean can't do nothing with Syracuse. Give me a healthy DC2 next year and we're good to go.

 

[two3zone]

I'm not sure why this is so hard for you to understand. How does anyone know exactly what went on behind the scenes the last few years except for the Bryant and the coaches. Do you honestly think we only talked to his mom over the course of a few years? We didn't ever pitch playing time? We never pitched the opportunity to play against Duke, UNC, Louisville, etc? We never pointed out that we send guys to the NBA? We never said or did anything else to express our interest and explain why we felt as if we thought SU was the best school for him? I doubt it. Maybe influencing mom became the last ditch effort when other strategies were not working. Maybe the coaching staff lessened communication with him when they realized their last ditch effort was just as fruitless as other strategies. Maybe nothing the staff could do was going to get him to come here. Suggesting a faulty strategy is THE reason he chose a school other than SU is idiotic.

Yes, your argument with no facts is better than my idiotic argument with no facts.

 

[sufandu]

Yes, your argument with no facts is better than my idiotic argument with no facts.

Read my first post. I stated how I loved that people claimed we used faulty strategy, when they had no clue about strategy or what the kid was thinking throughout the process. So, yes, my argument was much much better than yours. Since you now admit you have no facts, can you also admit that your initial claim of poor strategy was absolutely baseless... and idiotic?

 

[two3zone]

Dude read my first post. I stated how I loved that people claimed we used faulty strategy, when they had no clue about strategy or what the kid was thinking throughout the process. So, yes, my argument was much much better than yours. Since you now admit you have no facts, can you also admit that your initial claim of poor strategy was absolutely baseless... and idiotic?

I never admitted to have facts other than what was printed, you have based your argument on hearsay and the notion that Syracuse recruiting is top notch and would never make a mistake.

 

[jgeorge322]

From everything put into print as of today it surely sounds like the strategy was going after mom.

parents are typically heavily involved in the recruiting process. i doubt jb specifically "went after his mom." i know you didnt say it, but that also implies we ignored some other strategy which would have succeeded.

 

[HOFCeluck]

We should've recruited Bryant harder. That's what I would've done!

 

[sufandu]

I never admitted to have facts other than what was printed, you have based your argument on hearsay and the notion that Syracuse recruiting is top notch and would never make a mistake.

You stated that wrong strategy had to be the reason we didn't get him. I said that anyone claiming that has no clue if that is the reason. I never stated Syracuse recruiting would never make a mistake, you wrongly extrapolated that just like you did your initial claim of poor strategy.

The "facts other than what was printed" aren't facts. They're hearsay.

 

[two3zone]

parents are typically heavily involved in the recruiting process. i doubt jb specifically "went after his mom." i know you didnt say it, but that also implies we ignored some other strategy which would have succeeded.

One thing it can be said that was ignored was that the IU players were in constant contact with TB while ours were not. That came from straight from the horses mouth. I agree, I doubt we went exclusively after mom but it seems like that's where the focus was. I'm not saying it was wrong or right of us to do but it is possible that we could have done something to obtain him. At this point even with the sanctions we look like a better landing spot for TB than IU.

 

[two3zone]

You stated that wrong strategy had to be the reason we didn't get him. I said that anyone claiming that has no clue if that is the reason. I never stated Syracuse recruiting would never make a mistake, you wrongly extrapolated that just like you did your initial claim of poor strategy.

The "facts other than what was printed" aren't facts. They're hearsay.

There is a lot of hearsay on both ends of this argument, I don't know how your hearsay is better than my hearsay. The only thing I know and what you know as fact is what's been printed.

 

[HOFCeluck]

At this point even with the sanctions we look like a better landing spot for TB than IU.

That might be true, but your dealing with the mind of a teenager. Any number of variables could have swayed him. Maybe the girlls were cuter the day he visited.

The reasoning only has to make sense to Bryant.