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Message: [QUOTE="ImperialOrange, post: 719285, member: 362"] Football conversation was going well and you couldve stuck to it. You know other fan bases don't share the views of how things went down so why even reply? That post prior to you remark can't be the worst you heard from opposing fans and was more truthful of his view point than anything. Overall your football view is the same as any other state fan. Ours is better because it's ours mentality. BOB may or may not be a better coach. Tough to tell when we haven't seen Shafer coach but after the Ohio game last year you probably weren't saying the same. "Our 1s and 2s are just as good". Perhaps but you see more 1s than actually exsist. Penn State has about 5 or 6 guys that would start for Syracuse this year. The rest are 2s and 3s plugged in as starters or backups but that's something State fans can't seem to see. Thats impossible simply because they're mighty penn state, right? [/QUOTE]