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BU Preview: One thing to keep an eye on Sunday

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Will do something more in depth later in the week (time permitting) but one think to keep an eye on in the opener vs BU is that the Terriers run a very good 10 man ride.

Syracuse has at times struggled immensely against the 10 man especially two years ago vs Gate, UNC and UVA at times. Last year SU handled the 10 man from Gate very well but struggled against it vs UNC and at times against UVA last year. This is mostly a veteran group and we've heard all pre-season about Syracuse's self inflicted wounds that have cost them in most of their losses and was on full display vs Maryland in the final four.

This is a great early test. Don't expect them to be 100% clearing in game 1 vs a very good 10 man but if this looks like Gate or UNC from 2024 it's a horrific sign of things to come.
 
Good point Jeremy. First thing that came to my mind was BU's ride, and Syracuse's recent struggles against it. Opponents cleared the ball just 75% against the Terriers last year (teams cleared 84% against the Orange last year). Especially early in the year, clearing can be tough. Hope SU has taken advantage of their indoor facilities and been working hard on this aspect of the game. Before the Ensley center, this was always an adventure. Shouldn't really be an excuse at this point, especially with a veteran defense.

BU is a good team. They return five of their top six scorers, only losing their top point getter from a year ago in Jimmy O'Connell (67 points). That said, rising sophomore Timmy Shannehan had 61 last year and he's flanked by running mate Jimmy Kohr with 57 points. Kohr was primarily a finisher with 43 of his points coming on goals. I feel like Figuerias will mark Shannehan and Kohr will be guarded by Billy Dwan. Unsure who will play that third attack, perhaps midfielder Andrew Pape who had 20 points last year? BU's scoring last year was pretty top heavy towards the attack, FWIW.

BU had a decent face-off group last year as their main FOGO won 55%, and he's back this year. That said he only picked up 55 ground balls last year, so about 42% of the time he was winning the face-off himself. John Mullen on the other hand had a groundball pick up rate of 64%. Not the most scientific stat out there, but I feel like hopefully it benefits Mullen, who of course is an intimidating presence out there.

Goal is the one probably glaring question mark for BU, as they graduated their starter from last year. Obviously don't want to read too much into scrimmages, but it sounds like they gave up 17 to Rutgers over the weekend, which isn't great. Perhaps the game was close in the first half and the backup struggled, so again, careful reading too much into scrimmage results.

Excited to see some new players, and who steps up for the Orange this year. With Payton Anderson presumably stepping in for Owen Hiltz, I am curious to see how that goes. Hiltz has massive shoes to fill, and while Anderson was good for the Orange last year, this is a whole new ball game. Hiltz always felt like Mr Dependable last year. If Spallina has a tough go of it, who can be that guy to step up? I don't expect Anderson to score 73 points like Hiltz did last year, but how much of that role can he fill? Who else can step up to replace that production? It feels hard to ask Spallina and Leo to produce more than they did last year ... to me, it feels like a lot of pressure is on Finn Thomson and Luke Rhoa to reach their potential this season.

Obviously a big year for the Orange, and hoping they get out to a hot start against the Terriers. First games of the season can be tricky, but it's at home and the Orange have had plenty of time to prepare. My main worry is Shannehan, who was part of the U-20 team for the US last summer. Hopefully the defense has an answer for him. I feel like given the firepower SU has all over the field, they should win this game by a couple. I am thinking something like 14-10? Go 'Cuse!
 
Good post Jeremy.

I don’t expect us to be any better at breaking the ride under gait but I hope I’m wrong.

I think this is the team that could win it all or at least get to the championship
 
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Also a few other guys who Redshirted last year and also Donny Scott who is a Redshirt Sophomore now I think, but will also be one next year.
 
I'm most looking forward to seeing who steps up on offense outside the known commodities. Plenty of PT to be earned.

2nd and 3rd lines are for the most part wide open. I do believe McCarthy and Hottle will be on the 2nd line but beyond that it's again wide open.
 
Well he specifically mentioned unprompted about preparing for the 10 man and the BU ride so that's a good sign at least.
i'd be 100% with you if i were you. bu's a good team and it could even go their way if they play well enough, but if there's issues there specifically, the game itself could be a calamity and all bets are off.

75% riding is real strong.
 
i'd be 100% with you if i were you. bu's a good team and it could even go their way if they play well enough, but if there's issues there specifically, the game itself could be a calamity and all bets are off.

75% riding is real strong.

I take as it a good sign he mentioned the ride first unprompted and spent some time on it. The game being the opener also likely gave SU extra time to be working on the 10 man at least in theory. They also are mostly a veteran team who has seen some pretty good 10 man rides the last few years.

On the flip side Gait said last year after the UNC game that they had spent extra time that week working on clearing and facing a 10 man and we looked lost that game. This team also is likely to have two new SSDM's starting on Sunday one of which will be a true freshmen, not exactly what you want against the 10 man.

Sounds like Rutgers handled BU's 10 man last week, so maybe it's not yet in mid-season form though RU if anything is pretty strong in their rope unit/middle of the field. I think this will really tell the story of the game as BU lost some big pieces on defense and SU should be able to score if they are not turning the ball over left and right.
 
Last minutes guess for starters…..

A: Joey Finn Bear
M: Leo Rhoa McIntee (I suspect Leo and or Kraftson may see time at attack and Bear sometime at mid)
2nd Midline - McCarthy Hottle - Unknown - Best guess if McIntee if he's not with the 1s and if he is then either Kraftson or Hahn.

SSDM - Bowen and Kittelberger

LSM - Chuck K and Bolognino ( Filardi is not ready and may RS but I suspect he will push for PT and force the staffs hand the more into the season we get

Dwan, Fig, Beck - 4th pole D'Agostino (I believe he will be the 3rd pole by years end).

I don't need to go through FOGO and Goalie we all know

Biggest question marks - SSDM Depth - Can Ochoa and Spallina the younger take another step? Is the 5th SSDM like a true Freshmen who will push for PT ( I believe so)

What does the 2nd line look like beyond McCarthy and Hottle? Can Rawson, Hahn or Pike force their way on or do they fill out a 3rd all Frosh line ala UNC? Where does Kraftson fit in with Deere out? What's the plan at attack if there is an injury or Finn struggles against a shortie? Do Leo and Finn switch?

What does the man up unit look like without Deere? Can GEB crack double digit points? Can a guy like Kellogg force his way on?

Lastly any surprises on a mostly veteran team? Does a guy like Bucktooth suddenly come out of nowhere?

Can Peck somehow show enough to burn a RS?

Is Angelo the backup FOGO or can Olenik surpass him as a true frosh? Mullen is a warrior but there are only 3 FOGO's on the roster so the depth behind him needs to be ready to play and battle against some of the best in the nation.
 
Last minutes guess for starters…..

Thomson Spallina Anderson
Rhoa Leo McIntee

Mullen

Kaczynsky Bowen Kittelberger
Dwan Figueiras Beck
McCool


edit: I promise I didn't see Jeremy's post before posting this, submitted it as I was typing. Most of these seemed pretty telegraphed though.
 
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Thomson Spallina Anderson
Rhoa Leo McIntee

Mullen

Kaczynsky Bowen Kittelberger
Dwan Figueiras Peck
McCool


edit: I promise I didn't see Jeremy's post before posting this, submitted it as I was typing. Most of these seemed pretty telegraphed though.

Ya 98% are pretty obvious to most SU fans. The only real ambiguity is the 3rd middie starter and if the suspicions on Beck and the SSDM duo are correct. The backups are where the real question marks are at.
 
i like beck i think gives our d some real nice size n hopefully some more physicality. can’t wait for games to start let’s go
 
Last minutes guess for starters…..
Attack: Bartlow, Meyer, Peck
Mid: Rawson, Hahn, Banks
Goalie: Bartlow
FO: Olenik

Gotta rest the old timers to keep their legs fresh for a run in May and not put any film out there - that's just smart coaching. Don't expect to see the normal starters until March at the earliest IMO.
 
Ya 98% are pretty obvious to most SU fans. The only real ambiguity is the 3rd middie starter and if the suspicions on Beck and the SSDM duo are correct. The backups are where the real question marks are at.

It sounded like in his presser that Gait was going to mix things up with the third attack and defensive spots. Not sure if he means that, or if say, Anderson gets a quarter, then Leo gets a quarter. With this schedule there isn’t much time for experimentation.

Not a big deal to switch Anderson and Leo around, but trying out different defenders would be. Or if they plan to give a mystery attackman like Kraftson some run. Curious to see if he really means it.
 
Attack: Bartlow, Meyer, Peck
Mid: Rawson, Hahn, Banks
Goalie: Bartlow
FO: Olenik

Gotta rest the old timers to keep their legs fresh for a run in May and not put any film out there - that's just smart coaching. Don't expect to see the normal starters until March at the earliest IMO.
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I take as it a good sign he mentioned the ride first unprompted and spent some time on it. The game being the opener also likely gave SU extra time to be working on the 10 man at least in theory. They also are mostly a veteran team who has seen some pretty good 10 man rides the last few years.

On the flip side Gait said last year after the UNC game that they had spent extra time that week working on clearing and facing a 10 man and we looked lost that game. This team also is likely to have two new SSDM's starting on Sunday one of which will be a true freshmen, not exactly what you want against the 10 man.

Sounds like Rutgers handled BU's 10 man last week, so maybe it's not yet in mid-season form though RU if anything is pretty strong in their rope unit/middle of the field. I think this will really tell the story of the game as BU lost some big pieces on defense and SU should be able to score if they are not turning the ball over left and right.
ha! everyone knows rutty wins the preseason every year, no doubt largely because no official stats are kept. they even had to come back to tie a scrimmage at halftime, and the scrimmage "wasn't competitive". that's how good they are in the offseason.

the most difficult thing to scout? a team that likes to pressure ride, which normally means full field. can't do it with film, only have half the field to see and you'd have to have a scout there, eyes on.
 

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