Buddy Boeheim - 24 shots

[orangeinnyc]

if you believe this, you don’t know much about basketball.

I agree with you djcon, thought this was a great win even though we played like crap in the first half. We really had to battle back and fight it out down the stretch which will most def help us going forward. And its great to get a win and avoid any bad losses heading into the tougher part of our schedule.

 

[Brooky03]

The two dribble pull up is a contested shot 100% of the time for Boeheim. He might make 40-45% of them. It's a TERRIBLE play, when looking at the overall efficiency a team would like to have.

Griffin, Guerrier & Dolezaj need to shoot more than Boeheim. Every single game, unless he is wide open from three-point range.

40-45% would be pretty good.

 

[Brooky03]

Ok. This year he is less than 36% from the field not counting today.

Last year was less than 41%from the field. Year before 38% from the field.

He should not be shooting 24 FGAs in a game, especially one when he’s shooting poorly.

He’s a 45% shooter inside the arc. He’s 36% beyond the arc. 45% for a guard is good. 36% is good. Elite? No. But good enough to get a green light. 24 is a lot of shots. This game also had a lot of possessions; more than a typical game.

Regardless, he’s not a low percentage chucker that you seem to be saying he is.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

10 more than the next highest individual total.

How is this OK?

Griffin, Guerrier, Dolezaj, Richmond, they are all better players.

Buddy Boeheim is not the top scorer on a good ACC team. If he continues to try to be, we are not going to be very good.

The best shooter on the team took less than 1/3 of the total shots for the team.
He just didn't shoot well, today.
There are only 2 rules for shooters: shoot until you make it, and shoot until you miss.
As long as they are quality shots, in the offense, then they're good shots.

 

[Todoubled23]

I am going to disagree with you on this, i think Buddy has proved he can make this shot at a good clip, and when he has a smaller defender on him i think its a pretty good shot if he can get around the foul line area. Anything outside that i don't want. I also do think AG, MD and QG should shoot more than him but aside from AG i don't see the aggressiveness from the other guys, especially marek. Quincy def needs to shoot the ball more than 13 times, he is turning into a monster for us.

Not looking at stats when I see buddy psuedo posting up and backing down a smaller guard I assume the turnaround J is money.

 

[teamco]

I will say this from an impressionistic sense, meaning I don't have the stats in-hand as I write this at 3:40AM Sunday morning, Buddy seems to have developed a nice little fadeaway J from around the foul line this year

 

[Jake]

I thought Buddy took 1 bad shot, 2-3 questionable shots, but the rest were shots I’d want him to take.

The iso back downs are the plays that I’m not a fan of. But still, every shot he took had a better chance of going in than the turnaround fadeaway 20 footers jacked up by a Griffin. He takes shots you wouldn’t take in a game of h-o-r-s-e.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Not looking at stats when I see buddy psuedo posting up and backing down a smaller guard I assume the turnaround J is money.

The announcers said they played together at Albany City Rocks. I assume Buddy knew he could do just that to the kid.

 

[hoopsupstate]

I would not mind if buddy went 0 for 24 if they were all open looks. He is an elite shooter. But at least eight of his shots today and a similar number against Northeastern were off balance, contested and early in the shot clock. There is no reason for that to occur.
Additionally from an analytical point of view the contested long range 2 is the worst shot an offense can take. This isn’t like two years ago when we were struggling to score 50 points a game. We have talented options and there is no reason to do the defense a favor by taking a bad shot.
Also JB is apparently blind to buddy’s shot selection in a way we have never seen with other players and that can’t help in the locker room. JB killed AG for only caring about his scoring, when was the last time you saw a buddy make a good pass?

After the steal and pass to Quincy for the dunk. I’d rather Buddy take 24 shots than anyone else, unless it’s Quincy inside. Without his threat to shoot there are no driving lanes for Kadary. Buddy still hasn’t found his legs. I bet Kentucky would love to have Buddy. I’ve seen a lot of teams who would die for a shooter like Buddy or Joe. We are lucky to have them. People have to stop being so critical and enjoy all the DIFFERENT pieces we have on this team. Let’s rename Buddy to Buddy Hopkins and get off the coaches kid stuff. It’s getting quite pathetic.

 

[721Comstock]

Much offense was created off of those 16 misses, I'm sure.

For both teams. Now THAT is talent!

 

[samspann1]

After the steal and pass to Quincy for the dunk. I’d rather Buddy take 24 shots than anyone else, unless it’s Quincy inside. Without his threat to shoot there are no driving lanes for Kadary. Buddy still hasn’t found his legs. I bet Kentucky would love to have Buddy. I’ve seen a lot of teams who would die for a shooter like Buddy or Joe. We are lucky to have them. People have to stop being so critical and enjoy all the DIFFERENT pieces we have on this team. Let’s rename Buddy to Buddy Hopkins and get off the coaches kid stuff. It’s getting quite pathetic.

Honestly, is it really hard to find a guy who shoots at a clip similar to that of JGIII?

 

[kuethstheman]

Part of the reason for BB taking so many shots is the freelance type of offense we ran. With UB playing so little help D, whoever took a pass from Kadary (besides Marek) looked for their shot and took it, if available. Buddy was almost always able to get a shot off so he did. If JB wanted a different distribution of shots, he'd call for (and/or demand) more motion, patience, and passing.

 

[Nicknack]

People have to stop being so critical and enjoy all the DIFFERENT pieces we have on this team. Let’s rename Buddy to Buddy Hopkins and get off the coaches kid stuff. It’s getting quite pathetic.

I think there is some truth to that but I think most just have an issue with as much run as Joe and Buddy get when they're clearly off some nights. It's hard to watch when we have some really good options sitting on the bench.

The last two games, Boeheim has adjusted with Grif getting benched and then last night Joe sitting in favor of K-swiss. That's really all some were hoping Boeheim would do and now he is.

 

[Eagles20]

I would not mind if buddy went 0 for 24 if they were all open looks. He is an elite shooter. But at least eight of his shots today and a similar number against Northeastern were off balance, contested and early in the shot clock. There is no reason for that to occur.
Additionally from an analytical point of view the contested long range 2 is the worst shot an offense can take. This isn’t like two years ago when we were struggling to score 50 points a game. We have talented options and there is no reason to do the defense a favor by taking a bad shot.
Also JB is apparently blind to buddy’s shot selection in a way we have never seen with other players and that can’t help in the locker room. JB killed AG for only caring about his scoring, when was the last time you saw a buddy make a good pass?

He had a nice kick out driving left to Quincy for a 3 he was fouled on.

I think this team for the most part has a very good understanding of what their roles are. Everyone wants Richmond to shoot more, but he understand his role is getting others involved and getting to the hoop. His outside shot will get better over time. You can also see Q role getting bigger the last few games offensively. He is isolating more in addition to his usual getting set up by teammates or offensive put backs.

 

[Brooky03]

24 shots when your team scores 100+ is different than 24 shots when your team scores 60.

worth noting

 

[OttoinGrotto]

24 shots when your team scores 100+ is different than 24 shots when your team scores 60.

worth noting

That's a decent point.

 

[81South]

Buddy was aggressive early and got us going. I loved how he got to the basket. Coach ran a lot of plays for him to get into the lane and most of the time he got a good shot off...not always but a good amount of the time. Bad shots happen...and everyone is guilty. We do need him to knock down a few 3s every game if we want to content with the upper tier
ACC teams.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

24 shots when your team scores 100+ is different than 24 shots when your team scores 60.

worth noting

That's why I looked at total shots: less than 1/3

 

[dollarbill44]

The two dribble pull up is a contested shot 100% of the time for Boeheim. He might make 40-45% of them. It's a TERRIBLE play, when looking at the overall efficiency a team would like to have.

Griffin, Guerrier & Dolezaj need to shoot more than Boeheim. Every single game, unless he is wide open from three-point range.

I disagree, in part because I'm pretty sure you made up the shooting pct. I think Buddy makes a much higher pct of the 12 ft pull up jumper than you are saying, which blows up your hypothesis that it is lowering the offensive efficiency.
He's taking what the defense is giving him. He's not going to get open 3s with the "offense" we run against tight man defense. I didn't see any screens to set up 3 pointers last night. Granted, I kind of tuned out at times with how bad they were playing, especially since I was enjoying my wife's chili.

 

[KevMonstah]

After the steal and pass to Quincy for the dunk. I’d rather Buddy take 24 shots than anyone else, unless it’s Quincy inside. Without his threat to shoot there are no driving lanes for Kadary. Buddy still hasn’t found his legs. I bet Kentucky would love to have Buddy. I’ve seen a lot of teams who would die for a shooter like Buddy or Joe. We are lucky to have them. People have to stop being so critical and enjoy all the DIFFERENT pieces we have on this team. Let’s rename Buddy to Buddy Hopkins and get off the coaches kid stuff. It’s getting quite pathetic.

Here's the difference though ... Buddy would be a complimentary player at UK, a role he's ideally
suited for at a high end D1 school. Him as your primary option who takes 20+ shots a game, that
is not what he is, at least at a high end school. And that has nothing to do with being the coach's
kid. I don't want anyone jacking 24 shots up, and I can't see how any coach would want a player
doing so, when he's on a 9-36 run, or a 6-27 one.

Kev

 

[DoctorBombay]

Here's the difference though ... Buddy would be a complimentary player at UK, a role he's ideally
suited for at a high end D1 school. Him as your primary option who takes 20+ shots a game, that
is not what he is, at least at a high end school. And that has nothing to do with being the coach's
kid. I don't want anyone jacking 24 shots up, and I can't see how any coach would want a player
doing so, when he's on a 9-36 run, or a 6-27 one.

Kev

This^^^
It’s not about nepotism from my perspective. Melo gets to shoot 24 a game, & avg 36 mins of PT. Buddy is good...but nowhere near that kinda dap.
This idea that he somehow always has to be on the floor is a little puzzling, IMO. We have alternatives this year- Woody being one, and maybe Braswell getting PT and regaining confidence and health. Hope JB sees it that way, eventually- although i doubt it.