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Message: [QUOTE="chugg21, post: 3131748, member: 3360"] That answer more or less means everything. If he can even get to be average than the ceiling for the team can reach contender status. If he stays about what he is now then you can't really expect to be better than 10-6 and needing to win a playoff game on the road. I'd possibly be willing to kill someone if he could ever top out at Matt Stafford like. Just become somewhere around the 8-10th best QB in the league, get the most out of your supporting cast and win the games that you can win. [/QUOTE]