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Message: [QUOTE="IthacaBarrel, post: 3174323, member: 363"] Agree and I think Josh will be evaluated at the end of the 2020 as he will most certainly will be the starter for next year and most likely the year after. Just like to see him be average sooner rather than later. Not disputing his QBR but he does have a lot of qualities that you like in a Qb but sure would be nice to see some of the qualities be more tangible. Like I said, big fan of the kid and I am rooting for him but it's still very much in the air if he can be an average franchise QB. I can understand people having doubts at this point for sure. I am certainly not giving up on the kid though. Some more talent would help and I think Daboll can improve as well but I like some of what he does as well. Shake my head at all these scouts and draft gurus and they all passed on Lamar for 4 other QB's and two years later is pretty clear to see that they were all dead wrong [/QUOTE]