Buffalo Bills 2025 Thread

[syrBossHogg]

Terrible loss RE: Oliver, he was playing great ball when healthy. Hopefully they get better than expected news. But Hoecht, Ogujnobi, and Hairston made plays today, it was great to get them back.

I get the concern about the WR group/passing game, they could use a little help but some of it is on Allen too. He hasn't been as sharp in recent weeks as he normally is.

And even though fans are worried about the passing game, this running game is elite and they can run the ball on any team in the NFL.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Bills win 40-9.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Terrible loss RE: Oliver, he was playing great ball when healthy. Hopefully they get better than expected news. But Hoecht, Ogujnobi, and Hairston made plays today, it was great to get them back.

I get the concern about the WR group/passing game, they could use a little help but some of it is on Allen too. He hasn't been as sharp in recent weeks as normal.

And even though fans are worried about the passing game, this running game is elite and they can run the ball on any team in the NFL.

The Oliver injury really hurts but it was great to see the three you mentioned get out there and have success, Hoecht especially looked good. I also thought Poyer was a calming presence out there and despite Daltons horrific play helping the D overall was good.

Sounds like Milano should be good to go next week which will help further. Fingers crossed on Oliver but seems likely to be season ending. Gonna need Jones next week to play if he's remotely ready.

 

[BuffOrange]

Frigging ridiculous man, Oliver. Can we not have nice things one God damn time.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Frigging ridiculous man, Oliver. Can we not have nice things one God damn time.

It does feel that way. Chris Jones is never hurt or the KC dline in general. We got dudes dropping every game

 

[BuffOrange]

It does feel that way. Chris Jones is never hurt or the KC dline in general. We got dudes dropping every game

Ya they're such a top heavy D too and Jones/McDuffie haven't missed a big game in 19 years.

 

[syrBossHogg]

The Oliver injury really hurts but it was great to see the three you mentioned get out there and have success, Hoecht especially looked good. I also thought Poyer was a calming presence out there and despite Daltons horrific play helping the D overall was good.

Sounds like Milano should be good to go next week which will help further. Fingers crossed on Oliver but seems likely to be season ending. Gonna need Jones next week to play if he's remotely ready.

Guys like Ogunjobi and Poyer may not make the flashiest plays out there anymore but they can raise the floor of your unit because they do their job.

I def think they held out a couple guys given how big next week's game is.

 

[syrBossHogg]

Ya they're such a top heavy D too and Jones/McDuffie haven't missed a big game in 19 years.

Part of sports is luck unfortunately

 

[Orangeman]

LOL there was a debate about paying Cook $11m-$12m-$13m or whatever a year or losing him on this team

Just LOL

 

[JeremyCuse]

LOL there was a debate about paying Cook $11m-$12m-$13m or whatever a year or losing him on this team

Just LOL

Money very well spent, he looks fantastic out there. Don't think there was ever a shot Buffalo wasn't gonna extend him.

 

[Orangeman]

Money very well spent, he looks fantastic out there. Don't think there was ever a shot Buffalo wasn't gonna extend him.

Oh, I agree, I was laughing that there was a debate at all

Do we have a team, or not, over $1-$3m in a billion dollar organization?

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Joe brady to LSU? I wouldnt mind.

 

[MSOrange]

Ed Oliver injury: Bills star DT out indefinitely with torn biceps, will undergo surgery

Oliver suffered the injury in the second quarter of Sunday's game

www.cbssports.com

 

[JeremyCuse]

Ed Oliver injury: Bills star DT out indefinitely with torn biceps, will undergo surgery

Oliver suffered the injury in the second quarter of Sunday's game

www.cbssports.com

Ya he's done for the year unfortunately. Massive blow but not much you can do at this point. Probably going to need to swing a trade for a DT now. Hopefully Jones is close to being back and the rookie on IR can come back as soon as eligible.

 

[Toga]

Ya he's done for the year unfortunately. Massive blow but not much you can do at this point. Probably going to need to swing a trade for a DT now. Hopefully Jones is close to being back and the rookie on IR can come back as soon as eligible.

Not sure where 2nd year DT Dewayne Carter is in injury rehab.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Not sure where 2nd year DT Dewayne Carter is in injury rehab.

Out for the year, torn Achilles

 

[cuseattle]

They just mentioned on Monday Night Football that KC can become just the second team to go to four straight Superbowls. Really hope they don't.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Gabe Davis off of IR and now on the PS and practicing today. Hard to see him being ready for Sunday but you never know.....

 

[JeremyCuse]

Palmer and Jones both still not practicing (both seem out for Sunday)

Milano and Bernard both fully active with no designation
Not sure if Bernard will start with his struggles but I suspect Milano will be active and starting

 

[Melancer46]

Gabe Davis off of IR and now on the PS and practicing today. Hard to see him being ready for Sunday but you never know...

I assume if he's activated and practicing in full (guess we still need to see if the latter is the case), he's probably ready to play some real snaps. Question is whether or not we'll ease him in or actually play him a lot given how desperate we are for help out wide.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I assume if he's activated and practicing in full (guess we still need to see if the latter is the case), he's probably ready to play some real snaps. Question is whether or not we'll ease him in or actually play him a lot given how desperate we are for help out wide.

There's some video out there of him practicing, not exactly moving at lighting speed so hard to tell where he's at in reference to actually being activated but at this point I am all for it, if he's ready play him.

 

[NineOneSeven]

 

[Melancer46]

A couple thoughts on this chart:

1. Coleman's YPRR is significantly better than Shakir's.
2. I think you can argue this both ways: Coleman's YPRR is decent while having literally the worst separation in the league; maybe this suggests if he continues to develop, he could really break out. On the flipside, you could argue that maybe the YPRR is a fluke and the lack of separation is actually a better indicator of future YPRR. Having said that, I think analytical studies generally say the YPRR is king when it comes to forecasting future production.
3. The scale for separation is -2 to +2, but the Y-axis only goes from roughly -0.25 to +0.25; if you put it on the -2 to +2 scale that separation is measured on, it would basically look like Coleman isn't an outlier at all separation wise. What is the actual difference between someone generating -0.22 in separation vs. the mass of other WRs that around 0.00?
4. I think separation data in general is just very wonky/inconsistent and also tends to favor slot WRs over boundary WRs and especially over X receivers. We also don't know how they're even measuring separation; is it measured at the catch point, measured coming out of their break, just generally measuring the max amount of separation they have in a given play?

It's not really clear to me that we should care all that much about the separation axis, especially compared to the YPRR where Coleman is doing perfectly fine.

 

[NineOneSeven]

A couple thoughts on this chart:

1. Coleman's YPRR is significantly better than Shakir's.
2. I think you can argue this both ways: Coleman's YPRR is decent while having literally the worst separation in the league; maybe this suggests if he continues to develop, he could really break out. On the flipside, you could argue that maybe the YPRR is a fluke and the lack of separation is actually a better indicator of future YPRR. Having said that, I think analytical studies generally say the YPRR is king when it comes to forecasting future production.
3. The scale for separation is -2 to +2, but the Y-axis only goes from roughly -0.25 to +0.25; if you put it on the -2 to +2 scale that separation is measured on, it would basically look like Coleman isn't an outlier at all separation wise. What is the actual difference between someone generating -0.22 in separation vs. the mass of other WRs that around 0.00?
4. I think separation data in general is just very wonky/inconsistent and also tends to favor slot WRs over boundary WRs and especially over X receivers. We also don't know how they're even measuring separation; is it measured at the catch point, measured coming out of their break, just generally measuring the max amount of separation they have in a given play?

It's not really clear to me that we should care all that much about the separation axis, especially compared to the YPRR where Coleman is doing perfectly fine.

All good points. Now how about the eye test and game logs?

He’s got to get a hell of a lot better and so do we at actually using the strengths he has.

 

[Melancer46]

All good points. Now how about the eye test and game logs?

He’s got to get a hell of a lot better and so do we at actually using the strengths he has.

Absolutely agreed. I also think we simply need to get a boundary WR in here. I liked Coleman as a prospect even if he wasn't my first choice, but I do not at all understand how we thought it was a good idea to have him as basically our only option given how raw he was coming out of FSU. Hopefully Palmer and Gabe get healthy soon and can help shore things up a bit but I'm really hoping we go out and trade for someone too.