Build-a-Coach

[HoustonCuse]

Reading the various threads on JB and Hopkins and other coaches made me consider what is most important attributes for a coach. There are clearly different opinions on the various would-be contenders to replace JB. What if you could build the perfect modern coach to replace Boeheim? You have 10 "points" to spend and you can distribute them as you see fit in the following categories:

1. In-Game Coaching
2. Game Strategy (this would include scouting, game planning, program style/identity, etc)
3. Recruiting (and retention)
4. Player Development
5. Public Image/Persona (think of this like "influencer" stature to include local fans/media, national fans/media, boosters, etc)

How do you spend your 10 points to build the ultimate coach?

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Reading the various threads on JB and Hopkins and other coaches made me consider what is most important attributes for a coach. There are clearly different opinions on the various would-be contenders to replace JB. What if you could build the perfect modern coach to replace Boeheim? You have 10 "points" to spend and you can distribute them as you see fit in the following categories:

1. In-Game Coaching
2. Game Strategy (this would include scouting, game planning, program style/identity, etc)
3. Recruiting (and retention)
4. Player Development
5. Public Image/Persona (think of this like "influencer" stature to include local fans/media, national fans/media, boosters, etc)

How do you spend your 10 points to build the ultimate coach?

2, 2, 2, 2, 2.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Good question.

I don’t get the 10 points to build, but for me In order of importance.

Strategy
Cruitin’ (&keepin)
In-game
Developing
Public image

 

[dollarbill44]

If you only get 10 points to spread across 5 categories, you're not getting much of a coach. Maybe we spend .ore money to buy more points.
But, to prioritize the categories, I'm going with this:
2,3,4,1,5

 

[Cusefan0307]

I think it’s in the exact order you list it. If you’re good at each the rest will follow.

 

[RF2044]

Good question.

I don’t get the 10 points to build, but for me In order of importance.

2
3
1
4
5

1 for recruiting?

 

[CuseFaninVT]

1 for recruiting?

Don’t understand your question

 

[RF2044]

Don’t understand your question

I think you rated them one - five, instead of allocating the points. So I didn't understand your post, it looked to me like you were only giving a score of one to the recruiting factor.

Now that I reread your post, I think you were ranking that number one out of five.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

I think you rated them one - five, instead of allocating the points. So I didn't understand your post, it looked to me like you were only giving a score of one to the recruiting factor.

Now that I reread your post, I think you were ranking that number one out of five.

I was putting them in order of importance to me. The numbers I used align to the numbers assigned by the OP. I’ll clarify my first post.

 

[CousCuse]

4,0,4,2,0

 

[pfister1]

Reading the various threads on JB and Hopkins and other coaches made me consider what is most important attributes for a coach. There are clearly different opinions on the various would-be contenders to replace JB. What if you could build the perfect modern coach to replace Boeheim? You have 10 "points" to spend and you can distribute them as you see fit in the following categories:

1. In-Game Coaching
2. Game Strategy (this would include scouting, game planning, program style/identity, etc)
3. Recruiting (and retention)
4. Player Development
5. Public Image/Persona (think of this like "influencer" stature to include local fans/media, national fans/media, boosters, etc)

How do you spend your 10 points to build the ultimate coach?

Not sure how to allocate only 10 points across 5 categories, so instead my opinion on the attributes order of importance.

3 - Recruiting and retention (having good players can overcome a ton of other deficiencies or mistakes)
1- In game coaching (poor decisions in the heat of battle can easily undermine talent advantages)
4 - Player Development (important to help your players grow, refine their skills and understand what’s necessary to compete against higher level competition)
2 - Game Strategy (score more points than your opponent?)
5 - Public Image/Persona (might make some fans feel good, but not sure how much it impacts the on court end result)

 

[tptcuse]

 

[CardiacCuse]

i wouldnt really separate in game coaching and strategy - to me they are really the same - most important
then recruiting - although that is really not as up to coaches as it used to be or could be...players decide a lot of that
then player development - which really helps recruiting
i could not care less about public image tbh

 

[CuseFaninVT]

i wouldnt really separate in game coaching and strategy - to me they are really the same - most important
then recruiting - although that is really not as up to coaches as it used to be or could be...players decide a lot of that
then player development - which really helps recruiting
i could not care less about public image tbh

Heck, our program right now is built on strategy - zone defense with iso offense. In game coaching to me feels very different. It’s being able to flex a bit away from the strategy to react to in game situations. Guys like Calipari are great at strategy and recruiting. Not sure his results show he’s great at in game.

 

[Bulldog04]

I was told there would be no math but I just hope his name starts with Mark and ends in Few

 

[Bayside44]

I was told there would be no math but I just hope his name starts with Mark and ends in Few

As long we get him home from the golf course...

 

[Nicknack]

Not sure how to allocate only 10 points across 5 categories, so instead my opinion on the attributes order of importance.

3 - Recruiting and retention (having good players can overcome a ton of other deficiencies or mistakes)
1- In game coaching (poor decisions in the heat of battle can easily undermine talent advantages)
4 - Player Development (important to help your players grow, refine their skills and understand what’s necessary to compete against higher level competition)
2 - Game Strategy (score more points than your opponent?)
5 - Public Image/Persona (might make some fans feel good, but not sure how much it impacts the on court end result)

I'm with you. I'd use most of my points on recruiting and retention. With that, even medicore in game coaching is usually enough. And if recruiting is really good, player development is less important.

6 points - recruiting
2 points - in game coaching
2 points - game strategy
0 points - player development (hire good assistants to do that)
0 points - public image (just win)

 

[CardiacCuse]

Heck, our program right now is built on strategy - zone defense with iso offense. In game coaching to me feels very different. It’s being able to flex a bit away from the strategy to react to in game situations. Guys like Calipari are great at strategy and recruiting. Not sure his results show he’s great at in game.

okay welll to me that is "system" or not

i am not a fan of having a rigid system i.e. zone defense and iso offense

so in that case I am all in game and not much weight on strategy or system...the ingame should everything, imo

otoh, bennett at uva has a great defensive system in place - pack line defense works well every year, seemingly

what i dont want is another coach who is rigiid in his system that he cant make ingame adjustments - which i think has kinda been the case with JB to an extent

his 1-3-1 has been a great wrinkle this year though...

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Reading the various threads on JB and Hopkins and other coaches made me consider what is most important attributes for a coach. There are clearly different opinions on the various would-be contenders to replace JB. What if you could build the perfect modern coach to replace Boeheim? You have 10 "points" to spend and you can distribute them as you see fit in the following categories:

1. In-Game Coaching
2. Game Strategy (this would include scouting, game planning, program style/identity, etc)
3. Recruiting (and retention)
4. Player Development
5. Public Image/Persona (think of this like "influencer" stature to include local fans/media, national fans/media, boosters, etc)

How do you spend your 10 points to build the ultimate coach?

Gotta follow the Cal,K, UNC, Kansas model: recruiting 1st and foremost, player development and in game be damned.

 

[HoustonCuse]

I'm with you. I'd use most of my points on recruiting and retention. With that, even medicore in game coaching is usually enough. And if recruiting is really good, player development is less important.

6 points - recruiting
2 points - in game coaching
2 points - game strategy
0 points - player development (hire good assistants to do that)
0 points - public image (just win)

This is probably closer to what I would do. Basically, I feel like recruiting has become the dominant factor. Player development is almost a thing of the Iron Age at this point. You have to recruit a new team every single year basically and you won’t have the players long enough to development into much. A coach like JB (these days anyway) is probably:

In game coaching - 2
Strategy - 5
Recruiting - 1
Development - 2
Image - 0

Calipari is probably

In game coaching - 1
Strategy - 0
Recruiting - 5
Development - 0
Image - 4

 

[Zelda Zonk]

Reading the various threads on JB and Hopkins and other coaches made me consider what is most important attributes for a coach. There are clearly different opinions on the various would-be contenders to replace JB. What if you could build the perfect modern coach to replace Boeheim? You have 10 "points" to spend and you can distribute them as you see fit in the following categories:

1. In-Game Coaching
2. Game Strategy (this would include scouting, game planning, program style/identity, etc)
3. Recruiting (and retention)
4. Player Development
5. Public Image/Persona (think of this like "influencer" stature to include local fans/media, national fans/media, boosters, etc)

How do you spend your 10 points to build the ultimate coach?

1
3.5
3.5
2
0

I don’t put a lot into “in-game coaching.” Plays are developed in practice. Situational decisions are usually pretty obvious. Players execute or don’t, based on preparation and talent.

Strategy- that’s key. Knowing the opponent, devising schemes, program style that fits your talent… all before you get on the court on game day.

Recruiting- equal to Strategy. Having the talent to execute the plans, or make up for poor planning…. You can win despite the scheme.

Development- important, but less important the better your recruits are, because you prolly don’t have them that long.

Persona? I had this at 1 point, but I’m going to take it away and split it between Strategy and Recruiting. Fans and recruits want to win. Coach personality isn’t that important, considering you have assistants to do the real bonding and coddling. That’s IF the program is winning. If it’s not, then this is more of a factor. Note that this says “public persona.” I still think the coach has to be able to relate and forge relationships with players and their families, but that’s part of recruiting.

 

[HOFCeluck]

7 for recruiting

3 for strategy

-986894937484 for ability to bring in the HCs sons and best buddies to form a super(friends) team.

 

[CuseCPT]

4 for Zone Theorycrafting
4 for Spacing Teaching
2 skillpoints in Wizardry

 

[NineOneSeven]

4 for Zone Theorycrafting
4 for Spacing Teaching
2 skillpoints in Wizardry

5 points will be awarded to Gryffindor.

 

[bpo57]

How about a coach that knows how to develop and utilize a bench? Where the team has its starters play 28-33 minutes a game and 3-4 guys play regularly off the bench 10-15 minutes a game. Don't mean to be so precise but you get the picture. And as the season progresses a regular and predictable rotation is established.

The bench players know their roles and everyone plays all out 100% when they're in the game. The best players are on the floor at the end and they're not falling short on jumpers or unable to corral loose ball rebounds cuz they're gassed. Nor do they conserve energy on the defensive end of the court during the course of the game. That would be nice.