Build Out The 2020's FB Schedule

[HRE Otto IV]

I meant all the Alliance teams would have to agree to this scheduling format and these rotations made for each team. I love it in theory and the math seems to work. But not every team will get the perfect or dream scenario they want...and let's be real...especially Syracuse. You gave us the Syracuse dream schedule under

Unfortunately I don't ever see it happening unless there revenue sharing among the 41 schools. The reports have already been that it won't be some 10-15 year rotation (except your 2 G5/FCS games). More likely the 8 conference games will rotate without divisions, and you will schedule your 2 OOC Alliance games every offseason like basketball.

The math works out nicely

FSU/Clemson/Louisville/GA Tech can play their SEC game and rotate the alliance games yearly (Notre Dame/B1G Team/P12 Team) so over 6 years each team will have played:

6 SEC games
2 ND games (one H and one A)
2 B1G games
2 P12 games

Then 7 of the 10 remaining ACC teams can play a B1G game yearly and then rotate ND/P12 games so over 6 years each team will have played:

6 B1G games
4 P12 games
2 ND games

There will need to be one ACC team that plays a B1G game yearly and then rotates ND/B1G/P12 games so over 6 years:

8 B1G games
2 P12 games
2 ND games

The last 2 teams will need an extra ND game to meet the 5 game per year requirement so over 6 years they play:

7 B1G games
3 ND games
2 P12 games

As a conference the total would be:

72 B1G games (12 per year)
42 P12 games (7 per year)
30 ND games (5 per year)
24 SEC games (4 per year)

For the B1G their teams will play one yearly game vs the P12 and one yearly game vs the ACC/ND. So most of the B1G (8/14) will have over 6 years:

6 P12 games
6 ACC games

The six schools that get ND will have:

6 P12 games
4 ACC games
2 ND games

As a conference the total would be:

84 P12 games (14 per year)
72 ACC games (12 per year)
12 ND games (2 per year)

For the P12 you will see...

Stanford/USC will have ND yearly then split 2 to1 B!G/ACC:
6 ND games
4 B1G games
2 ACC games

Utah will have BYU yearly then split 2 to 1:
6 BYU games
4 B1G games
2 ACC games

The remaining 9 teams will have B1G yearly then split 2 to 1 ACC/B1G:
8 B1G games
4 ACC games

As a conference:
84 B1G games
42 ACC games
12 ND games
6 B12 games (BYU)

For ND they will have yearly:
5 ACC games
2 B1G games
2 P12 games
1 SEC game

Over 6 years:
30 ACC games
12 B1G games
12 P12 games
6 SEC games

SEC/B12 can go to 9 conference games and then play each other with the exception of Florida/UGA/UK/South Carolina who have ACC games.

The 4 ACC game teams over 6 years have:
6 ACC games

9 of 12 remaining have:
6 B12 games

3 of 12 have:
4 B12 games
2 ND games

In total the SEC would have:
66 B12 games
24 ACC games
6 ND games

For the B12, BYU gets a yearly with Utah and everyone else gets an SEC game yearly. So over 6 years you see:

66 SEC games
6 P12 games



Every P5 conference would play 10 P5 games per year. The number of intersectional matchups goes way up, making fans and TV very happy. The bigger schools will buy 2 non P5 home games OOC (G5 or FCS). The mid to smaller schools can try for 2 for 1s against G5s OOC. With the smaller P5 supply for the G5, they might be more willing to accept a 2 for 1. Plus they actually get a home game which is worth something.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

Just play a game at Arizona in 2024 or 2025. I don’t care about the rest

 

[TexanMark]

Just play a game at Arizona in 2024 or 2025. I don’t care about the rest

Ha Ha

Man I'd be down with that.

HRE Otto IV I think if they indeed commit to 2 games it'll be something like what you propose. I also think there's a great chance that the first 5-7 years schools will be able to petition for relief on scheduling two games. No sense to cancel games already scheduled as the buy outs can be expensive.

For Syracuse for instance the Tennessee game in a few years. Perfect case for them to keep that and not schedule a game vs an alliance team.

 

[sutomcat]

Ha Ha

Man I'd be down with that.

HRE Otto IV I think if they indeed commit to 2 games it'll be something like what you propose. I also think there's a great chance that the first 5-7 years schools will be able to petition for relief on scheduling two games. No sense to cancel games already scheduled as the buy outs can be expensive.

For Syracuse for instance the Tennessee game in a few years. Perfect case for them to keep that and not schedule a game vs an alliance team.

Lots of unanswered questions with the Alliance.

Will they attempt true rotations where every team in the 3 conferences eventually plays every other team?

Will they schedule home and homes in consecutive years with teams to set up some semblance of continuity (as is often done today)?

It is hard to get schools to change. Really hard to get 3 conferences to change their scheduling models. Would be somewhat surprised if this proposal really gets off the ground with most teams playing 1 Alliance game a season. Would really be surprised if they ever get to the point where most teams play 2 Alliance games a season.

TV is going to have to pony up a lot of money to make this happen. Networks are going to have to find a way to cooperate with each other. Schools are going to have to wait their turn to play other schools they want to play and deal with playing less attractive schools some years.

If they go to 2 Alliance games, I would not be surprised if the ND 5 game deal with the ACC gets canceled. There are way too many schools in the ACC that want easy OOC schedules to get that to go through. Hell, getting some ACC schools to agree to 2 Alliance games is going to be tough. Especially for the schools with an annual SEC rivialry game.

I hope this happens. Would like to see Syracuse play out West more often and renew series with more B1g schools.

Really do not want to see the end result of this be us playing Rutgers every year. If we aren't going to play a good mix of B1G and P12 schools than I don't want to be part of this.

 

[Chip]

If they go to 2 Alliance games, I would not be surprised if the ND 5 game deal with the ACC gets canceled. There are way too many schools in the ACC that want easy OOC schedules to get that to go through. Hell, getting some ACC schools to agree to 2 Alliance games is going to be tough. Especially for the schools with an annual SEC rivialry game.

If they cancel the ND 5 game arrangement, is there any reason to even have them in the conference?

 

[sutomcat]

If they cancel the ND 5 game arrangement, is there any reason to even have them in the conference?

I think they have some really strong programs in some Olympic sports. Them leaving would hurt some ACC sports a bit. For lacrosse, others would know better but I think we are already a team short for having a proper tournament so I would think losing them is no big deal.

Maybe their presence for men's basketball helped the ACC a little in negotiating the awful contract the ACC has in place today with ESPN.

I think their presence in the league helped somewhat when we negotiated deals to get distribution for the ACCN.

And I think their presence as part of the ACC bowl package has helped make that group of bowls less awful than it would otherwise be.

Dropping them is not a no brainer. If you believe in the sanctity of contracts, we are stuck with them until 2036 or thereabouts. But if we have learned anything recently, contracts are not a big obstacle if you want something bad enough.

All that said, I still do not expect the Alliance to become a 2 game a year commitment. As long as that doesn't happen, I would expect the ND 5 game commitment to continue.

 

[Chip]

All that said, I still do not expect the Alliance to become a 2 game a year commitment. As long as that doesn't happen, I would expect the ND 5 game commitment to continue.

Agree with this. I'd hate to see them become exactly what they were in the Big East. Playing the ACC football teams isn't perfect, but you at least get something in return for giving them a home.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Ha Ha

Man I'd be down with that.

HRE Otto IV I think if they indeed commit to 2 games it'll be something like what you propose. I also think there's a great chance that the first 5-7 years schools will be able to petition for relief on scheduling two games. No sense to cancel games already scheduled as the buy outs can be expensive.

For Syracuse for instance the Tennessee game in a few years. Perfect case for them to keep that and not schedule a game vs an alliance team.

From what I can tell these games would still need to be played so the teams involved would need to have an exemption. Seems like 2024 would be the best year to start the alliance. Some G5 games might need to be moved back or canceled. If we aren't canceling ACC vs SEC OOC games then what is the point in even having an alliance?

2022
FSU vs LSU
NC State vs Texas Tech
Wake vs Vandy
Duke vs Kansas
GA Tech vs Ole Miss
Miami vs A&M
Pitt vs WV
Pitt vs Tennessee
VA Tech vs WV

2023
FSU vs LSU
NC State vs Cincy
Wake vs Vandy
GA Tech vs Ole Miss
Miami vs A&M
UNC vs South Carolina
Pitt vs WV
Pitt vs Cincy

2024
BC vs Mizzou
Miami vs Florida
Pitt vs WV
Pitt vs Cincy

2025
Syracuse vs Tennessee
Miami vs Florida
Pitt vs WV
VA Tech vs South Carolina

2027
NC State vs Texas Tech

The Clemson vs UGA games they could keep them and play 11 P5 games those years. If they add easy P12 and B1G teams then they could handle it.

I think the below would simply be canceled. Especially if the SEC goes to 9 games as expected. They are all far enough out in advance.

2031/2034
BC vs Bama

2035/2036
Clemson vs Oklahoma

2025/2026
FSU vs Bama
Clemson vs LSU
UNC vs TCU

2027/2028
FSU vs UGA

2026/2027
Louisville vs UGA
Miami vs South Carolina

2028/2029
Louisville vs A&M
Duke vs TCU
UNC vs South Carolina

2024/2030
NC State vs BYU

2026/2032
NC State vs Florida

2026/2028
NC State vs Vandy
Miami vs BYU
UNC vs UCF

2029
NC State vs Cincy

2030/2031
NC State vs South Carolina
GA Tech vs Bama

2033/2034
NC State vs UGA

2024/2025
Wake vs Ole Miss
VA Tech vs Vandy

2029/2030
Miami vs Auburn
UVA vs Kansas
VA Tech vs Zona

2026/2030
VA Tech vs BYU

2032/2037
VA Tech vs Ole Miss

2034/2035
VA Tech vs Bama
VA Tech vs South Carolina

 

[NJneer12]

The math works out nicely

FSU/Clemson/Louisville/GA Tech can play their SEC game and rotate the alliance games yearly (Notre Dame/B1G Team/P12 Team) so over 6 years each team will have played:

6 SEC games
2 ND games (one H and one A)
2 B1G games
2 P12 games

Then 7 of the 10 remaining ACC teams can play a B1G game yearly and then rotate ND/P12 games so over 6 years each team will have played:

6 B1G games
4 P12 games
2 ND games

There will need to be one ACC team that plays a B1G game yearly and then rotates ND/B1G/P12 games so over 6 years:

8 B1G games
2 P12 games
2 ND games

The last 2 teams will need an extra ND game to meet the 5 game per year requirement so over 6 years they play:

7 B1G games
3 ND games
2 P12 games

As a conference the total would be:

72 B1G games (12 per year)
42 P12 games (7 per year)
30 ND games (5 per year)
24 SEC games (4 per year)

For the B1G their teams will play one yearly game vs the P12 and one yearly game vs the ACC/ND. So most of the B1G (8/14) will have over 6 years:

6 P12 games
6 ACC games

The six schools that get ND will have:

6 P12 games
4 ACC games
2 ND games

As a conference the total would be:

84 P12 games (14 per year)
72 ACC games (12 per year)
12 ND games (2 per year)

For the P12 you will see...

Stanford/USC will have ND yearly then split 2 to1 B!G/ACC:
6 ND games
4 B1G games
2 ACC games

Utah will have BYU yearly then split 2 to 1:
6 BYU games
4 B1G games
2 ACC games

The remaining 9 teams will have B1G yearly then split 2 to 1 ACC/B1G:
8 B1G games
4 ACC games

As a conference:
84 B1G games
42 ACC games
12 ND games
6 B12 games (BYU)

For ND they will have yearly:
5 ACC games
2 B1G games
2 P12 games
1 SEC game

Over 6 years:
30 ACC games
12 B1G games
12 P12 games
6 SEC games

SEC/B12 can go to 9 conference games and then play each other with the exception of Florida/UGA/UK/South Carolina who have ACC games.

The 4 ACC game teams over 6 years have:
6 ACC games

9 of 12 remaining have:
6 B12 games

3 of 12 have:
4 B12 games
2 ND games

In total the SEC would have:
66 B12 games
24 ACC games
6 ND games

For the B12, BYU gets a yearly with Utah and everyone else gets an SEC game yearly. So over 6 years you see:

66 SEC games
6 P12 games



Every P5 conference would play 10 P5 games per year. The number of intersectional matchups goes way up, making fans and TV very happy. The bigger schools will buy 2 non P5 home games OOC (G5 or FCS). The mid to smaller schools can try for 2 for 1s against G5s OOC. With the smaller P5 supply for the G5, they might be more willing to accept a 2 for 1. Plus they actually get a home game which is worth something.

Not only does the math work out nicely, I believe it can get more diverse.

Numbers are per year

ACC
10 vs B1G
7 vs P12
5 vs ND
5 vs SEC
1 vs B12

B1G
12 vs P12
10 vs ACC
2 vs ND
2 vs B12
2 vs SEC

P12
12 vs B1G
7 vs ACC
2 vs ND
2 vs B12
1 vs SEC

ND
5 vs ACC
2 vs B1G
2 vs P12
1 vs SEC

B12
7 vs SEC
2 vs P12
2 vs B1G
1 vs ACC

SEC
7 vs B12
5 vs SEC
2 vs B1G
1 vs P12
1 vs ND

This would make it so every conference plays every other one at least once per season. ND won't ever play a B12 team. Not much frequency there after Texas and Oklahoma (who will be in the SEC anyway); after OU and UT, ND played Kansas 6 times.

 

[TexanMark]

AWAY Penn State '27
HOME Penn State '28

 

[baggerbob]

AWAY Penn State '27
HOME Penn State '28

To be honest would rather play West Virginia then ever play Penn State again.
All the things that Joe Paterno did to hurt eastern football, we should never play Penn State.

 

[721Comstock]

To be honest would rather play West Virginia then ever play Penn State again.
All the things that Joe Paterno did to hurt eastern football, we should never play Penn State.

144x THIS.

Also - beyond 'just' the horrible scandals (yes, plural) and coverups (also plural) -

Once we got good enough to whoop State Penn's arses, they took their ball and went home.
They loved to play us when it was a virtually guaranteed W for them, and as soon as it wasn't, they wussed out and have avoided us ever since.

I'd prefer Couchburner U over Ped State every day, and twice on Saturday.

 

[Moontan]

AWAY Penn State '27
HOME Penn State '28

4 Sep 2027 at PSU
9 Sep 2028 vs PSU

 

[TexanMark]

To be honest would rather play West Virginia then ever play Penn State again.
All the things that Joe Paterno did to hurt eastern football, we should never play Penn State.

Sign me up for WV...

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Well the alliance is dead so we can forget about those games.

As I said before I would do rotations of...

FCS (example not necessarily in this order)
Year 1- Colgate
Year 2- MEAC1 (Morgan State?)
Year 3- Holy Cross
Year 4- MEAC2 (Howard?)
Year 5- Colgate
Year 6- MEAC3 (Norfolk State?)
Year 7- Holy Cross
Year 8- MEAC4 (Delaware State?)
Year 9- Colgate
Year 10- MEAC5 (SC State?)
Year 11- Holy Cross
Year 12- MEAC6 (NC Central?)

So over the 12 years you play all 6 MEAC schools once, plus Colgate and Holy Cross 3x each. You can use this model for as long as we are allowed to play FCS schools.

G5 Ohio MAC (not required in order)
Year 1 Bowling Green
Year 2 at Bowling Green
Year 3 Kent State
Year 4 at Kent State
Year 5 Miami
Year 6 at Miami
Year 7 Akron
Year 8 at Akron
Year 9 Toledo
Year 10 at Toledo
Year 11 Ohio
Year 12 at Ohio

So over 12 years you play all 6 Ohio MAC home and away. I would try though to get some 2 for 1s if possible.

G5 Regional (doesn't have be in order)
Year 1 Temple
Year 2 at Temple
Year 3 Army
Year 4 at Army
Year 5 UConn
Year 6 at UConn

So over 6 years you play each home and away. Road trips to UConn are fine if spaced out every 6 years. I would try for 2 for 1s here too. I would also consider adding UMass to the roation if they play at Gillette. I might consider Tulane for the history and the road trip. Navy if they ever left the AAC, would be a no brainer.

P5s (as an example)
Year 1 Penn State
Year 2 at Penn State
Year 3 Notre Dame
Year 4 West Virginia
Year 5 at West Virginia
Year 6 at Notre Dame
Year 7 Maryland
Year 8 at Maryland
Year 9 Notre Dame
Year 10 Rutgers
Year 11 at Rutgers
Year 12 at Notre Dame

So the 4 regional rivals home and away. I would also consider Northwestern and Vandy. If Notre Dame ever joined the ACC it makes the roation go faster. Playing Penn State 2x over 12 years isn't too hard for us.


A road trip once every 6 years to East Hartford, West Point, and Philly isn't so bad. It spaces it out enough. Even more so if we could get Navy, UMass, or Tulane added. Then it is 12 years. If you get 2 for 1s that changing things too.

Having Colgate and Holy Cross once every 4 years, makes the trip for their fans somewhat interesting. More often than that would be overkill.

Going to Ohio every other year but different towns isn't the most attractive. But for the home games the variety is good.

Games once every 12 years in Happy Valley, Piscataway, Morgantown, and College Park is nice spacing. Same thing for the home games. It offers both variety and familiarity.

 

[buffalorange]

Well the alliance is dead so we can forget about those games.

As I said before I would do rotations of...

FCS (example not necessarily in this order)
Year 1- Colgate
Year 2- MEAC1 (Morgan State?)
Year 3- Holy Cross
Year 4- MEAC2 (Howard?)
Year 5- Colgate
Year 6- MEAC3 (Norfolk State?)
Year 7- Holy Cross
Year 8- MEAC4 (Delaware State?)
Year 9- Colgate
Year 10- MEAC5 (SC State?)
Year 11- Holy Cross
Year 12- MEAC6 (NC Central?)

So over the 12 years you play all 6 MEAC schools once, plus Colgate and Holy Cross 3x each. You can use this model for as long as we are allowed to play FCS schools.

G5 Ohio MAC (not required in order)
Year 1 Bowling Green
Year 2 at Bowling Green
Year 3 Kent State
Year 4 at Kent State
Year 5 Miami
Year 6 at Miami
Year 7 Akron
Year 8 at Akron
Year 9 Toledo
Year 10 at Toledo
Year 11 Ohio
Year 12 at Ohio

So over 12 years you play all 6 Ohio MAC home and away. I would try though to get some 2 for 1s if possible.

G5 Regional (doesn't have be in order)
Year 1 Temple
Year 2 at Temple
Year 3 Army
Year 4 at Army
Year 5 UConn
Year 6 at UConn

So over 6 years you play each home and away. Road trips to UConn are fine if spaced out every 6 years. I would try for 2 for 1s here too. I would also consider adding UMass to the roation if they play at Gillette. I might consider Tulane for the history and the road trip. Navy if they ever left the AAC, would be a no brainer.

P5s (as an example)
Year 1 Penn State
Year 2 at Penn State
Year 3 Notre Dame
Year 4 West Virginia
Year 5 at West Virginia
Year 6 at Notre Dame
Year 7 Maryland
Year 8 at Maryland
Year 9 Notre Dame
Year 10 Rutgers
Year 11 at Rutgers
Year 12 at Notre Dame

So the 4 regional rivals home and away. I would also consider Northwestern and Vandy. If Notre Dame ever joined the ACC it makes the roation go faster. Playing Penn State 2x over 12 years isn't too hard for us.


A road trip once every 6 years to East Hartford, West Point, and Philly isn't so bad. It spaces it out enough. Even more so if we could get Navy, UMass, or Tulane added. Then it is 12 years. If you get 2 for 1s that changing things too.

Having Colgate and Holy Cross once every 4 years, makes the trip for their fans somewhat interesting. More often than that would be overkill.

Going to Ohio every other year but different towns isn't the most attractive. But for the home games the variety is good.

Games once every 12 years in Happy Valley, Piscataway, Morgantown, and College Park is nice spacing. Same thing for the home games. It offers both variety and familiarity.

If we are looking at recruiting areas, I like the idea of playing Ohio MAC teams. Also, any room for Navy in these potential schedules? A game there puts us in the DC recruiting region.

 

[baggerbob]

If we are looking at recruiting areas, I like the idea of playing Ohio MAC teams. Also, any room for Navy in these potential schedules? A game there puts us in the DC recruiting region.

Navy. Army. Maryland, West Virginia, Rutgers, Connecticut plus Pittsburg, and Boston College are all the Eastern teams we need to play.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

If we are looking at recruiting areas, I like the idea of playing Ohio MAC teams. Also, any room for Navy in these potential schedules? A game there puts us in the DC recruiting region.

Not as long as they are in the AAC. No room for SU when Navy has OOC Air Force, Army, and Notre Dame every year.

 

[Eric15]

All the things that Joe Paterno did to hurt eastern football, we should never play Penn State.

A game against PSU is a huge moneymaker for us. Will be a sellout or very close to it, national TV, we can show recruits what the Loudhouse is like when it's electric, maybe even an outside chance of College Gameday.

Who cares about Eastern Football grudges from decades ago by people who are long dead?

 

[Bayside44]

A game against PSU is a huge moneymaker for us. Will be a sellout or very close to it, national TV, we can show recruits what the Loudhouse is like when it's electric, maybe even an outside chance of College Gameday.

Who cares about Eastern Football grudges from decades ago by people who are long dead?

Penn State is getting 100K and ABC on Saturday night, what we do matters nothing.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

I'm tired of sellouts and massive ratings where we lose by 30. I don't think that does a thing except further embolden our national perception as doormats.