By sunday afternoon we need to be

[Marsh01]

No worse than in the last 4 out of every persons projections. If we can hover in that just barely out (and by days end today we will have a much clearer picture of where we will stand) then its a complete crapshoot and it doesnt matter where we are on the list because its so subjective and impossible to pinpoint. We just need to be on that list to have a shot. If we are then I have a flicker of hope.

 

[CorduroyG]

We wont fall out of "last 4 out". It will come down to boeheim suspension. If they give the benefit of the doubt in the hop games we got a shot. If not we'll be out.

 

[HoustonCuse]

Maybe I am too pessimistic, but I think you are setting yourself up for a very bad night on Sunday. It just seems impossible to me that we could get in. There is almost nothing redeeming about this team's resume or performance down the stretch.

 

[dollarbill44]

 

[Marsh01]

Maybe I am too pessimistic, but I think you are setting yourself up for a very bad night on Sunday. It just seems impossible to me that we could get in. There is almost nothing redeeming about this team's resume or performance down the stretch.

forget performance down the stretch. comparing our resume with other teams we are competing with its a crapshoot

 

[HakAttack]

Maybe I am too pessimistic, but I think you are setting yourself up for a very bad night on Sunday. It just seems impossible to me that we could get in. There is almost nothing redeeming about this team's resume or performance down the stretch.

For the last time, how we played down the stretch doesn't matter anymore. Last 10 games isn't a criteria for admittance to the dance anymore.

 

[Orangemen]

Maybe I am too pessimistic, but I think you are setting yourself up for a very bad night on Sunday. It just seems impossible to me that we could get in. There is almost nothing redeeming about this team's resume or performance down the stretch.

I don't think it's quite that dire. While I would not bet on us getting in, we definitely have a chance.

Look, our resume as is gets in into most everyone's last 4 in/first 4 out. So right off the bat we are a bubble team square in the margin of error. Then you have the major question about the suspension. If it is considered a factor by the committee, then our resume immediately looks better in their eyes.

None of this is a guarantee we get in, but it's clear we have a chance.

 

[HoustonCuse]

For the last time, how we played down the stretch doesn't matter anymore. Last 10 games isn't a criteria for admittance to the dance anymore.

I'm not giving it any more weight than anything else. The entire resume is garbage. Losses to every full strength good team that we played except for A&M (and they went on a major slide in mid season), one of the worst losses in modern program history (blown out by St. Johns), loss after loss after loss to bubble teams, etc. There is nothing to hang a hat on here.

 

[orangenirvana]

Maybe I am too pessimistic, but I think you are setting yourself up for a very bad night on Sunday. It just seems impossible to me that we could get in. There is almost nothing redeeming about this team's resume or performance down the stretch.

You're wrong. Not your first sentence - that actually could be very true. But the rest.

 

[HoustonCuse]

I don't think it's quite that dire. While I would not bet on us getting in, we definitely have a chance.

Look, our resume as is gets in into most everyone's last 4 in/first 4 out. So right off the bat we are a bubble team square in the margin of error. Then you have the major question about the suspension. If it is considered a factor by the committee, then our resume immediately looks better in their eyes.

None of this is a guarantee we get in, but it's clear we have a chance.

Fair enough. You are correct and I understand that, but I'm not going to even worry about it and I don't look forward to another meltdown when we don't get in. A hugely relevant conversation that is not happening here is: will get a 1 seed in the NIT? I don't think we will.

 

[CorduroyG]

I'm not giving it any more weight than anything else. The entire resume is garbage. Losses to every full strength good team that we played except for A&M (and they went on a major slide in mid season), one of the worst losses in modern program history (blown out by St. Johns), loss after loss after loss to bubble teams, etc. There is nothing to hang a hat on here.

The committee doesnt take beating a team at less than full strength into consideration, come on. Duke road a&m neutral are better than any wins other bubble teams have. And that duke team without jefferson won at unc and beat uva.

Its not just about us. Look at oregon st schedule and tell me why they should get in?

 

[HoustonCuse]

The committee doesnt take beating a team at less than full strength into consideration, come on. Duke road a&m neutral are better than any wins other bubble teams have. And that duke team without jefferson won at unc and beat uva.

Its not just about us. Look at oregon st schedule and tell me why they should get in?

I know. It is all comparative. I do get it. I just dread getting hopes up and then this place comes crashing down. It is draining. My feeling is that this is one of the worst resumes we have ever walked into selection sunday with, possibly the worst. But the point that there could be worse teams than us is not lost on me. We may be the best of a group of terrible options for one of the final spots.

 

[CorduroyG]

I know. It is all comparative. I do get it. I just dread getting hopes up and then this place comes crashing down. It is draining. My feeling is that this is one of the worst resumes we have ever walked into selection sunday with, possibly the worst. But the point that there could be worse teams than us is not lost on me. We may be the best of a group of terrible options for one of the final spots.

I dont think any of us are really expecting us to get in. Even if everything breaks right its a 50/50 shot at best. I dont think youll see any board meltdown if we dont make it like "this is bs!!! We got screwed!!! Committee has it in for syracuse!!!!"...well except maybe for cusehulk. He probably thinks we're a 8 seed.

 

[MSOrange]

I dont think any of us are really expecting us to get in. Even if everything breaks right its a 50/50 shot at best. I dont think youll see any board meltdown if we dont make it like "this is bs!!! We got screwed!!! Committee has it in for syracuse!!!!"...well except maybe for cusehulk. He probably thinks we're a 8 seed.

That's exactly how I feel. I still have a flicker of hope but if it doesn't happen, you won't hear a peep out of me about being screwed. We had our chances.

 

[TinyManInside]

If the committee wants to present the best product it can, I really think it should consider performance down the stretch.

I'm glad, for this season, that they say it's not a factor because it gives SU a better chance of getting in... but realistically (taking this year's 'Cuse team out of the equation) I'd rather see teams that are playing their best basketball NOW rather than teams that peaks in Dec or Jan.

 

[MGP]

Again, I get the feeling that the "we don't deserve it" crowd thinks the "objective thinking" crowd believes we deserve and should get in. At least in my opinion, this is not the case. I understand our resume sucks and we couldn't win a big game when we needed to. Yet when comparing us to the other bubble teams, we are right there. I don't have my hopes up, but I think there's a legit chance. If we don't make it, I can't see anyone feeling we got shafted, and if somehow we do, it'll be the first time in my 40 years of fandom I was pleasantly surprised when we've been on the bubble. No expectations, but this "no chance in hell" stuff is just frustration and disappointment, not objectivity...

 

[TheCusian]

Maybe I am too pessimistic, but I think you are setting yourself up for a very bad night on Sunday. It just seems impossible to me that we could get in. There is almost nothing redeeming about this team's resume or performance down the stretch.

Replace "this teams" with any of about 7-8 teams and there's your proof of the possible.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I'm not giving it any more weight than anything else. The entire resume is garbage. Losses to every full strength good team that we played except for A&M (and they went on a major slide in mid season), one of the worst losses in modern program history (blown out by St. Johns), loss after loss after loss to bubble teams, etc. There is nothing to hang a hat on here.

Listen I don't think we are getting in but you don't really know what you are talking about. A&M is 24-7. They might very well be te best team in the SEC.

Duke was at full strength. The team they had then is the team they have had all year. Amile Jeffereson red shirted.

The Uconn win right now is huge. If they lose today, we will be ahead of them. St. Bonaventure is a team thats a virtual lock.

There's a lot of garbage resumes out there. You are focusing on ours, when we have beaten more top 50 teams than just about any other bubble team. That's why people think theres a slight glimmer of hope.

 

[SoBeCuse]

Listen I don't think we are getting in but you don't really know what you are talking about. A&M is 24-7. They might very well be te best team in the SEC.

Duke was at full strength. The team they had then is the team they have had all year. Amile Jeffereson red shirted.

The Uconn win right now is huge. If they lose today, we will be ahead of them. St. Bonaventure is a team thats a virtual lock.

There's a lot of garbage resumes out there. You are focusing on ours, when we have beaten more top 50 teams than just about any other bubble team. That's why people think theres a slight glimmer of hope.

Yes, I agree with all of this. My only concern is that we did ourselves no favors in the 'Boeheim suspension' case with how we crapped the bed down the stretch. Some of those games there was simply minimal effort as well. But, comparing us by just the quantitative data to other teams in our predicament and it's a coin flip. We're right there.

 

[TheCusian]

Yes, I agree with all of this. My only concern is that we did ourselves no favors in the 'Boeheim suspension' case with how we crapped the bed down the stretch. Some of those games there was simply minimal effort as well. But, comparing us by just the quantitative data to other teams in our predicament and it's a coin flip and we're right there.

The quality of teams we lost to down the stretch >>>>> Losses with Hop

 

[SoBeCuse]

The quality of teams we lost to down the stretch >>>>> Losses with Hop

I guess. Still, losses. Some games we weren't even competitive and we needed a miracle against NCSU. I dunno. I'm hoping the committee will use strictly the raw quantitative data and no 'eye test' (I do think that can be a valid criteria)/'Boeheim suspension' factors or else we're screwed.

 

[NineOneSeven]

I'm avoiding all bball this weekend

Plus I actually should be doing stuff

 

[cuseinseattle]

We wont fall out of "last 4 out". It will come down to boeheim suspension. If they give the benefit of the doubt in the hop games we got a shot. If not we'll be out.

Are chances come down to the NCAA giving us the benefit of the doubt. I think I know how this story ends.

 

[SUintheVille]

I'm not giving it any more weight than anything else. The entire resume is garbage. Losses to every full strength good team that we played except for A&M (and they went on a major slide in mid season), one of the worst losses in modern program history (blown out by St. Johns), loss after loss after loss to bubble teams, etc. There is nothing to hang a hat on here.

I hope you're wrong, and I hope I am too, but I agree with you. Those early looses to Gtown and SJU look very bad too, plus the end of season losing streak. But there's always hope I guess.

 

[two3zone]

I'm avoiding all bball this weekend

Plus I actually should be doing stuff

I'm going to gamble, drink, and pick up some women.