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Class of 2022 C William Kyle (NE) TRANSFERRING TO SYRACUSE (3/27/25)

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orangefog said:
It would be interesting to see it, but that will never happen.
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If Kline is as effective in building the team as we hope he will be, it’s probable that Kline could make more money selling his proprietary scouting software to multiple programs than he could make as a full time employee of only one program. He also could sell a watered down version to fans on a subscription basis…

This season will go a long way to determining how rich Kline is in a few years.
 
Niastri said:
If Kline is as effective in building the team as we hope he will be, it’s probable that Kline could make more money selling his proprietary scouting software to multiple programs than he could make as a full time employee of only one program. He also could sell a watered down version to fans on a subscription basis…

This season will go a long way to determining how rich Kline is in a few years.
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I am guessing when he leaves SU it is to go back to the NBA
 
Niastri said:
There is a conversation that applies to some players more than others about standing reach.

Kyle is only 6’9, but his very long arms allow him to play “bigger” than his height might indicate. Keep in mind his explosive leaping ability also allows him to play bigger than he actually is.

Here is a Google summary of the benefits of “standing reach” in regards to centers in basketball.

When considering basketball centers, focusing on standing reach (how far a player can reach with their arms extended while standing) can be a valuable metric, as it indicates a player's ability to contest shots and control the paint, potentially even more than height alone.

Here's a breakdown of why standing reach is important for centers and some examples:
  • Defense:
    A long standing reach allows centers to effectively contest shots, block shots, and grab rebounds, even against taller opponents.

  • Offense:
    A long reach can help centers score by getting their shots off over defenders, and also allows them to be lob threats.

  • Examples of Centers with Long Standing Reach:
  • Why Standing Reach Matters More Than Height
    • Rim Protection: Centers with long standing reach can be more effective rim protectors, even if they are not the tallest players.

    • Rebounding: A long reach can help centers grab rebounds, especially against taller opponents.

    • Versatility: Players with long arms can be more versatile and play multiple positions.
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Based on Kyles height and wingspan his estimated standing reach would be 9'2.5"
 
The concerns about William Kyle are fair but I view his potential much differently with the signing of Nait George. Watching condensed games of GT, Kyle may be a better offensive version of Nbondgo. The lob/dunk threat that Kyle brings could result in him averaging 10ppg, of course he is reliant on George to create opportunities for him but that is also why George is highly touted.

Kyle also seems to be able to defend 1-5 and the pick and roll because of his athletic ability and in the condensed games I watched, he has a tendency to help on defense (something we forgot about with Lampkin). In theory, he should also improve his rebounding numbers playing next to Donnie (elite rebounder)

William Kyle in a vacuum, being asked to create for himself may be a bit of a risk. However with the current roster construction (mainly George and his passing expertise), I could see a path where Kyle ends up being the “crown jewel” of the portal additions.
 
At a minimum, this stat comparison seems to be telling on how William Kyle will improve our roster and the team’s overall defense

Eddie Lampkin has 50 career blocks in his 5 year career (besides Freshman year at TCU, all seasons well over 20 minutes/game)

William Kyle had 20 blocks in 307 minutes at UCLA (32 games, 9.6min/game)

Rim protection improves the overall team defense and erases mistakes.
 
CuseSaint26 said:
At a minimum, this stat comparison seems to be telling on how William Kyle will improve our roster and the team’s overall defense

Eddie Lampkin has 50 career blocks in his 5 year career (besides Freshman year at TCU, all seasons well over 20 minutes/game)

William Kyle had 20 blocks in 307 minutes at UCLA (32 games, 9.6min/game)

Rim protection improves the overall team defense and erases mistakes.
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Plus having that threat to block shots, will cause players to pull up or back out of the lane.
 
Idiocuse22& said:
Based on Kyles height and wingspan his estimated standing reach would be 9'2.5"
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I couldn’t find an official (out even unofficial) measurement.

It’s annoying, because many of the All Star camps are giving official measurements, but they are wildly inconsistent. Not as wild as the 40 times on the football side, but still unreliable.

The average football recruiting class has 10 kids that make Bolt look slow, until they are on campus and you realize everything is made up, and the points don’t count.
 
Watching Kyle’s tapes at UCLA and from his previous year, I don’t have any major worries about what he brings to the table. He’s long, athletic and very bouncy. He’s exactly what we’ve missed. I see no issues with him playing 25 minutes a game. Kyle, Kingz and George gives us three very good power four players. They are not mid majors and have experience at this level. Few teams have a Freeman and Starling returning. These five guys are very solid and should do very well. Building depth and roles for other players will determine how good we could be next year.
 
Gotta say I’m a lot higher on Kyle than a lot of y’all seem to be. We DON’T need him to come in here and average 15ppg. I think he’ll come in here and average 8ppg, 8-9rpg and 2bpg. He’s a hell of an athlete, he can run like a deer for his size. He’s not the best on offense but he’s not raw either. He’s a great big to have as a transition team which it looks like Red wants and Kyle is a great lob threat. Tbh he’s going to be a fan favorite cause he is a big time hustler and hard worker when he’s in the game. He brings the intensity as well. He’s exactly what we need at center for this teams make up tbh. He’s also a very good defender which we desperately needed last year. I’m pretty high on Kyle and I think he is going to surprise a lot of you tbh. He just got stuck/screwed behind a log jam of forwards last year at UCLA.
 
All I want at the 5 is a guy who goes up strong for rebounds and put-back dunks, is fluid/athletic in motion, and can body up another C/block a shot from a driving guard.

I'm skeptical of Kyle being a 30 minute guy for us next year but it seems like he can do all of those things.

Either way, it will be so much better than what we've had there over the last 5 years.
 
CuseMan4 said:
Gotta say I’m a lot higher on Kyle than a lot of y’all seem to be. We DON’T need him to come in here and average 15ppg. I think he’ll come in here and average 8ppg, 8-9rpg and 2bpg. He’s a hell of an athlete, he can run like a deer for his size. He’s not the best on offense but he’s not raw either. He’s a great big to have as a transition team which it looks like Red wants and Kyle is a great lob threat. Tbh he’s going to be a fan favorite cause he is a big time hustler and hard worker when he’s in the game. He brings the intensity as well. He’s exactly what we need at center for this teams make up tbh. He’s also a very good defender which we desperately needed last year. I’m pretty high on Kyle and I think he is going to surprise a lot of you tbh. He just got stuck/screwed behind a log jam of forwards last year at UCLA.
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Yeah he looks like a serious athlete with legit length and athleticism. Reminds me a little of a young Montrez Harrell from Louisville, who had a decent career in the NBA. South Dakota state is a good mid-major program, and now he has a year of experience at the P5 level.
 
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bnoro said:
All I want at the 5 is a guy who goes up strong for rebounds and put-back dunks, is fluid/athletic in motion, and can body up another C/block a shot from a driving guard.

I'm skeptical of Kyle being a 30 minute guy for us next year but it seems like he can do all of those things.

Either way, it will be so much better than what we've had there over the last 5 years.
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Yes exactly this. Think of some of our best teams from 2009-2017ish. You had Keita and Christmas manning the middle for a few of those teams. Keita was never an offensive threat and Christmas his first 3 years was no offensive threat either. Both they were both great defenders and rebounders. Boeheim left the scoring to the 1-4 positions and used his centers as elite defenders and the rebounders. I think that’s what Autry is going for. We certainly have enough scoring between George, Starling, Freeman and Kingz. All 4 averaged double figures at P4’s last year. If we bring in Deng that’s a 7ppg guy and you have to think between Fennell, Anthony and Sadiq we’ll get some points off the bench as well. We DON’T need the 5 to be a huge scoring threat. Just be an elite rim protector and rebounder. And this team will be fine. Scoring will not be an issue
 
bnoro said:
All I want at the 5 is a guy who goes up strong for rebounds and put-back dunks, is fluid/athletic in motion, and can body up another C/block a shot from a driving guard.

I'm skeptical of Kyle being a 30 minute guy for us next year but it seems like he can do all of those things.

Either way, it will be so much better than what we've had there over the last 5 years.
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I gave you a like, but don't understand the last 5 years comment. The last 2 I get, but 3 and 4 years ago Jesse Edwards was good.
 
CuseMan4 said:
Yes exactly this. Think of some of our best teams from 2009-2017ish. You had Keita and Christmas manning the middle for a few of those teams. Keita was never an offensive threat and Christmas his first 3 years was no offensive threat either. Both they were both great defenders and rebounders. Boeheim left the scoring to the 1-4 positions and used his centers as elite defenders and the rebounders. I think that’s what Autry is going for. We certainly have enough scoring between George, Starling, Freeman and Kingz. All 4 averaged double figures at P4’s last year. If we bring in Deng that’s a 7ppg guy and you have to think between Fennell, Anthony and Sadiq we’ll get some points off the bench as well. We DON’T need the 5 to be a huge scoring threat. Just be an elite rim protector and rebounder. And this team will be fine. Scoring will not be an issue
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Just curious but who do you think will be our guy down low to post up and score on folks?
 
RyanCuse44 said:
Just curious but who do you think will be our guy down low to post up and score on folks?
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Why wouldn't it be Kyle? A few thoughts. Thought I read in this thread before he had transferred he displayed a baby hook to his game in some of the videos? Second he is not a small guy and with shooters on the team who are better, it should allow JJ to drive and dish. Lastly in the low post , if Kyle doesn't have good position, the offense should have him turning, taking 5 steps and setting a pick for either Kingz or Donnie who should be cutting and be able to post and score there.
 
Jake said:
He can also erase defensive lapses on the perimeter…you beat JJ of the dribble…ok….now what..
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Somebody's probably already posted this highlights clip from last year at UCLA. You can see this guy is athletic, a rim runner and a shot blocker. His best offensive play is diving to the rim off a pick toward the top of the key.

He catches and flushes alley oops well. He works hard on the offensive glass. He does some things really well, but he is very raw on the low block. In this 4 minute + highlight clip, you see he attempt a basket probably 50 times.

I only counted 3 low-post moves with his back to the basket. His dribble wasn't great, nor was his footwork. This guy is a talented, but he's not a low post scorer. He's a clean up man. That's how Jesse Edwards started out, of course, before he developed a decent (not great) low post game after a couple years.

Very solid player, but I still see something important missing in our tool box. And that is a low post scorer from a middling conference with a wide body, some guy like that 6-8 240 Drexel kid who just signed with Providence. We need a guy like that. Not a million dollar guy, a big body.


 
IthacaMatt said:
Somebody's probably already posted this highlights clip from last year at UCLA. You can see this guy is athletic, a rim runner and a shot blocker. His best offensive play is diving to the rim off a pick toward the top of the key.

He catches and flushes alley oops well. He works hard on the offensive glass. He does some things really well, but he is very raw on the low block. In this 4 minute + highlight clip, you see he attempt a basket probably 50 times.

I only counted 3 low-post moves with his back to the basket. His dribble wasn't great, nor was his footwork. This guy is a talented, but he's not a low post scorer. He's a clean up man. That's how Jesse Edwards started out, of course, before he developed a decent (not great) low post game after a couple years.

Very solid player, but I still see something important missing in our tool box. And that is a low post scorer from a middling conference with a wide body, some guy like that 6-8 240 Drexel kid who just signed with Providence. We need a guy like that. Not a million dollar guy, a big body.


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I posted a video similar to this one upthread… But it was from when he was transferring to UCLA last year. He actually has a decent baby hook type post move. He wasn’t just bigger, stronger and more athletic than the low major kids trying to guard him. He has a little skill in the post. At least enough to finish if he can’t dunk right away. :)
 
IthacaMatt said:
Somebody's probably already posted this highlights clip from last year at UCLA. You can see this guy is athletic, a rim runner and a shot blocker. His best offensive play is diving to the rim off a pick toward the top of the key.

He catches and flushes alley oops well. He works hard on the offensive glass. He does some things really well, but he is very raw on the low block. In this 4 minute + highlight clip, you see he attempt a basket probably 50 times.

I only counted 3 low-post moves with his back to the basket. His dribble wasn't great, nor was his footwork. This guy is a talented, but he's not a low post scorer. He's a clean up man. That's how Jesse Edwards started out, of course, before he developed a decent (not great) low post game after a couple years.

Very solid player, but I still see something important missing in our tool box. And that is a low post scorer from a middling conference with a wide body, some guy like that 6-8 240 Drexel kid who just signed with Providence. We need a guy like that. Not a million dollar guy, a big body.


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Gotta love a good dunk!
 
IthacaMatt said:
Somebody's probably already posted this highlights clip from last year at UCLA. You can see this guy is athletic, a rim runner and a shot blocker. His best offensive play is diving to the rim off a pick toward the top of the key.

He catches and flushes alley oops well. He works hard on the offensive glass. He does some things really well, but he is very raw on the low block. In this 4 minute + highlight clip, you see he attempt a basket probably 50 times.

I only counted 3 low-post moves with his back to the basket. His dribble wasn't great, nor was his footwork. This guy is a talented, but he's not a low post scorer. He's a clean up man. That's how Jesse Edwards started out, of course, before he developed a decent (not great) low post game after a couple years.

Very solid player, but I still see something important missing in our tool box. And that is a low post scorer from a middling conference with a wide body, some guy like that 6-8 240 Drexel kid who just signed with Providence. We need a guy like that. Not a million dollar guy, a big body.


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Could Rashaun Agee fill that need, if he were to decide to commit here? Perhaps even be the starter, pushing Kyle to first big off the bench(still getting 15-20m between PF&C). Souare would then be 3rd string big with more limited minutes, allowing him more time to develop without as many expectations/pressure or be insurance if injuries happen or others don't live up to their promise.
 
Niastri said:
I posted a video similar to this one upthread… But it was from when he was transferring to UCLA last year. He actually has a decent baby hook type post move. He wasn’t just bigger, stronger and more athletic than the low major kids trying to guard him. He has a little skill in the post. At least enough to finish if he can’t dunk right away. :)
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Yes, he's good on the offensive boards. He gathers himself well and he works hard to get to the rim.
 
IthacaMatt said:
Somebody's probably already posted this highlights clip from last year at UCLA. You can see this guy is athletic, a rim runner and a shot blocker. His best offensive play is diving to the rim off a pick toward the top of the key.

He catches and flushes alley oops well. He works hard on the offensive glass. He does some things really well, but he is very raw on the low block. In this 4 minute + highlight clip, you see he attempt a basket probably 50 times.

I only counted 3 low-post moves with his back to the basket. His dribble wasn't great, nor was his footwork. This guy is a talented, but he's not a low post scorer. He's a clean up man. That's how Jesse Edwards started out, of course, before he developed a decent (not great) low post game after a couple years.

Very solid player, but I still see something important missing in our tool box. And that is a low post scorer from a middling conference with a wide body, some guy like that 6-8 240 Drexel kid who just signed with Providence. We need a guy like that. Not a million dollar guy, a big body.


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Couldn’t agree more, the solid 10-15 minute backup big is a needed puzzle piece. Feels like most elite teams have one (not saying we will be elite but a guy can dream…)
 
JaySU22 said:
Couldn’t agree more, the solid 10-15 minute backup big is a needed puzzle piece. Feels like most elite teams have one (not saying we will be elite but a guy can dream…)
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He’s starting and getting more than 10mpg, a lot more.

Your point is correct tho - on an elite team he’s a 10-15mpg backup
 
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