Can any of the current bench coaches teach m-2-m?

[SBU72]

If I read correctly, Autry and Griffin have coaching experience other than SU, but enough teach a man defense? Also a more diverse offense.

 

[tptcuse]

I sure hope Red can.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

Probably not as well as someone who has been coaching it and coaching it well in recent years.

 

[pwong]

I think Griff was coaching pack line defense at Dayton. But think the issue is not enough time to implement/practice man if JB is mostly committed to zone.

There was so many communication breakdowns when we play our switch everything man to man defense.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Seth Greenberg knows it all and Red coached with him at VT.

 

[Newhouser]

It's not rocket science if your career is hoops, and can't be half as difficult as the teaching of our 4D chess zone.

 

[007]

It's not rocket science if your career is hopes, and can't be half as difficult as the teaching of our 4D chess zone.

We need to put this one to rest...coaching man defense is more complicated than zone (even JB's 2-3). And maybe more importantly, is more time consuming. This isn't even remotely debatable in the coaching community.

To answer the thread title question, of course these guys can coach man defense. Coaching is what they do for a living. The better question, to me anyway, is what type of defensive identity will they have overall and how well will they be able to get the players to buy into that identity.

 

[newmexicuse]

I love both Red and Griff, but I am on record as saying that we need new blood.

we just have to make a clean break to move forward.

next coach needs to be a strong recruiter and needs to rely on M2M as the primary D. He will, of course, pick his own staff, but if by chance he could get red or griff to stay, that might just provide a little bit of positive continuity.

 

[hoopsupstate]

They also will need to determine how they want to play it. Pick up at half court, pick up at the three point line, deny first pass, deny ball reversal. double screens, switch on the perimeter, front the post, etc. There’s a lot to teach. Positioning is also a key. Players need to learn to help the helper. There’s a lot of teaching. Consistency is important. Constant communication between players and blocking out. Red or whoever will need to decide how they want to play man. Personnel will determine a lot of their scheme.

 

[HOFCeluck]

We need to put this one to rest...coaching man defense is more complicated than zone (even JB's 2-3). And maybe more importantly, is more time consuming. This isn't even remotely debatable in the coaching community.

To answer the thread title question, of course these guys can coach man defense. Coaching is what they do for a living. The better question, to me anyway, is what type of defensive identity will they have overall and how well will they be able to get the players to buy into that identity.

On the one hand you say that coaching man is more complicated than zone…and I agree with that. But I don’t know how you then go on to say that Red and Gerry can coach it. And considering they’ve spent the last 5-10 years immersed in an institutional culture of all zone all the time…I’m it sure how you square that circle.

Don’t get me wrong I think they can coach man..I just don’t think they could do it well at the Power 5 level.

 

[HOFCeluck]

I love both Red and Griff, but I am on record as saying that we need new blood.

we just have to make a clean break to move forward.

next coach needs to be a strong recruiter and needs to rely on M2M as the primary D. He will, of course, pick his own staff, but if by chance he could get red or griff to stay, that might just provide a little bit of positive continuity.

New blood you say?

 

[007]

They also will need to determine how they want to play it. Pick up at half court, pick up at the three point line, deny first pass, deny ball reversal. double screens, switch on the perimeter, front the post, etc. There’s a lot to teach. Positioning is also a key. Players need to learn to help the helper. There’s a lot of teaching. Consistency is important. Constant communication between players and blocking out. Red or whoever will need to decide how they want to play man. Personnel will determine a lot of their scheme.

Great points

 

[SBU72]

First of all, I was not implying that one of them should coach D for JB. I was inquiring if the AD could really be considering just promoting from within. Could JB be pushing for this and if so, do Autry or Griffin have enough background to do it. To me, McNamara hasn't the coaching experience to do it.

I guess I also believe an outsider is called for. Never like to see anyone get fired but a new coach has his preferences. And I guess we all wonder how well Autry/Griffin/McNamara recruit. Are they part of the problem or just caught in the circumstances.

 

[grepal]

If my memory is correct JAB ran man to man prior to sanction (the first round). i remember a D.O. interview with Fast Eddy Moss and they were talking about a concept he called King Me, King You where he had to beat the guard to a spot. JAB certainly knows M2M I just think he has had so much success with his zone that he believes that is the best defense for his team. He knows the shooters are so great now he needs five long gazelles to cover the shooting areas. If he comes back would not be surprised if he chooses to use man more often.

 

[Brooky03]

I think Griff was coaching pack line defense at Dayton. But think the issue is not enough time to implement/practice man if JB is mostly committed to zone.

There was so many communication breakdowns when we play our switch everything man to man defense.

The pack line defense is more zone than man. It's a matchup 2-3 zone with better branding and traps in different spots.

I'm surprised Bennett is able to run it in the modern day where offenses put 7 shooters on the court and make 30 of their 60 3-point attempts per game (I'm told).


[yes, our zone this year is the worst in college ball at defending the 3. we know] <- this is not directed at you, just 99.9% of posters here.

 

[PoppyHart]

If you set the expectations that starters are no longer playing 37-40 minutes a game, and everybody's playing time will be based on defensive intensity, things should ratchet up quickly.

 

[Cusefan0307]

The pack line defense is more zone than man. It's a matchup 2-3 zone with better branding and traps in different spots.

I'm surprised Bennett is able to run it in the modern day where offenses put 7 shooters on the court and make 30 of their 60 3-point attempts per game (I'm told).


[yes, our zone this year is the worst in college ball at defending the 3. we know] <- this is not directed at you, just 99.9% of posters here.

Except the pack line works by putting pressure on the ball. Not exactly a hall mark of the 2-3.

 

[007]

On the one hand you say that coaching man is more complicated than zone…and I agree with that. But I don’t know how you then go on to say that Red and Gerry can coach it. And considering they’ve spent the last 5-10 years immersed in an institutional culture of all zone all the time…I’m it sure how you square that circle.

Don’t get me wrong I think they can coach man..I just don’t think they could do it well at the Power 5 level.

The premise of the poster's question was flawed from the onset. Of course, these guys can coach man. They have been immersed in basketball nearly their entire lives. They have coached and scouted against some of the very best man defenses and coaching in the country throughout their careers.

Can they do it well enough is a different debate. I'm not sure how you know they can't. It's fair to wonder if they can. But, to be crystal clear, I am 100% on board with bringing in someone who has already proven that they can be successful.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Biggest risk with Autry is recruiting. Without the talent it won't matter. We might see some incremental improvement assuming the schemes are updated to the 21st century, but our ceiling may very well be a bubble team if we have to settle for 3 and low-4 star types.

 

[HOFCeluck]

The premise of the poster's question was flawed from the onset. Of course, these guys can coach man. They have been immersed in basketball nearly their entire lives. They have coached and scouted against some of the very best man defenses and coaching in the country throughout their careers.

Can they do it well enough is a different debate. I'm not sure how you know they can't. It's fair to wonder if they can. But, to be crystal clear, I am 100% on board with bringing in someone who has already proven that they can be successful.

I don’t know for sure and I’d be happy to be proven wrong.

But Red hasn’t had to teach M2M in almost fifteen years. Gerry NEVER had to. I guess they would have to have some knowledge to be able to break down opposing ds. But given our offense as of late…

 

[Cusefan0307]

Biggest risk with Autry is recruiting. Without the talent it won't matter. We might see some incremental improvement assuming the schemes are updated to the 21st century, but our ceiling may very well be a bubble team if we have to settle for 3 and low-4 star types.

That and we literally have zero idea what his offensive and defensive philosophies are.

 

[SBU72]

I don’t know for sure and I’d be happy to be proven wrong.

But Red hasn’t had to teach M2M in almost fifteen years. Gerry NEVER had to. I guess they would have to have some knowledge to be able to break down opposing ds. But given our offense as of late…

You touch on what I was getting at. There is a difference between playing man, or viewing it to break it down and teaching it or explaining it. Hey we all have had 12 or more years of school but that doesn't mean we can teach. I am a chemist, with over 30 patents but not not trained or qualified to teach chemistry past grade school level. So to me, without having done it elsewhere or at SU, McNamara can't teach man. If a he got a chance to stay with the next coach and learn, great. But not be in charge.

 

[OrangeDW]

Red played pro basketball for 10+ years - I feel confident that he can figure it out.

 

[SBU72]

From "Orange Fizz":
"McNamara and Autry will get diligent consideration for the head coaching job, but maybe the only way for Syracuse to wipe this slate clean and start a new era is from outside of the current staff, and Langel and Hart should be the top two candidates for that."

Wouldn't be ironic that a guy who tried to get out of his commitment to SU could be the one t9 lead the school back to success.

 

[Sherman20]

If I read correctly, Autry and Griffin have coaching experience other than SU, but enough teach a man defense? Also a more diverse offense.

Griff coached the man to man at Dayton for 6 years.