Can someone please explain how this HC and offensive coaching staff went thru spring ball and training camp and didn’t start Shrader week 1?
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Have I told you my theory about how Rhino being out screwed everything up?
I give you this that your theory atleast makes SOME sense. If Dino was able to say it then I wouldn’t be as upset.
However like what the hell is going on out there.
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Simple. Kid hadn’t played QB in over a year. He was playing WR last year at MSU. He also had to learn an entirely new system, and was shaky early on in camp.
We can dog Dino’s decisions in game, but at least give him kudos for benching a multiple year starter for the beard.
We can dog Dino’s decisions in game, but at least give him kudos for benching a multiple year starter for the beard.
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Devito played very well against Ohio.
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I'm convinced at the very least we see more of a split vs Ohio if we have Rhino.
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Because Tommy was better through Spring and fall camp, at running the offense. If you feel like you are playing 3d chess, its probably difficult to say that so many of your plays may not work, that what you really need is someone who can improvise. To the staffs credit, it seems they are completely changing the playbook to Shraders strengths.
What is exactly the offense?
Shrader is improvising and getting 8-10 yards a rush when he doesn’t have his first read.
Devito never did that but what the heck is the offense?
Shrader wasn’t used properly against Rutgers.
DeVito didn’t lose the Ohio game but he didn’t exactly pop that game.
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I think this is the answer to your question.
Staff has always wanted a dynamic aerial attack. If Shrader wasn't as good at that, they had to change some things. Seemed like Devito made improvements in that this year(more ypc than Garrett) . I think they may have gradually changed the offense to Garrets strength to see if it worked. It did.
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All the above is true, but there’s a phrase for the biggest factor…….”loyalty to a fault”
Cost us the RU game without question. But I get how it can be looked at as a positive trait (loyalty that is). I was calling for Shrader from day one based on physicality and measurables alone and remain disappointed it didn’t happen sooner. Between his horrendous in game decision making and this it will likely cost us a bowl season
Cost us the RU game without question. But I get how it can be looked at as a positive trait (loyalty that is). I was calling for Shrader from day one based on physicality and measurables alone and remain disappointed it didn’t happen sooner. Between his horrendous in game decision making and this it will likely cost us a bowl season
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I'm not going with loyalty to a player, but loyalty to the system. We all complained about lack of crossing routes, slants, intermediate passes, etc. For a couple years. It didn't change. I'm of the mindset that Devito "may" have found more success, had that happened. Either way, I'm happy it finally happened now.
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As has been said many times previously, Devito is a great practice QB, and he may have well and truly looked to be the better candidate in both Spring and Preseason. And, maybe Shrader needed a bit more time (as CIL stated), I don't know. I think Cuseregular also brings up a very good, if not unfortunate, point regarding Babers' thought process.
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I’ll get killed for this but I don’t think Elmore makes as gigantic an impact as this would imply.
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All good points. Again, I think it was Dino's loyalty to the system. I wonder if it had been geared towards Devito's strengths, if things would have been different? Either way, it will be interesting to see how Devito looks in a different program. He may, very well, light it up. If its the same ole same ole? There you go.
I think Schmidt/oline has also helped change our focus.
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For all the grief the coaching staff should receive, I don't think this is one. They brought him in, then gave him the keys after 3 games. Seems reasonable to me.
The staff cost the kids a chance against Rutgers:
If Shrader is given the keys right away we can beat Rutgers.
We better get to 6 wins or that game will bite us.
We scored 7 points against Rutgers.
7 points.
when was the last time the offensive had 3 legit TD drives in one half in an ACC game?
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Believe me, I understand your point, but I think it is easier said than done obviously. I'm impressed they actually could detach themselves from the devitos.
Devito didn't play poorly during the Rutgers game. If anything, getting away from Tucker cost us that game imo. I'm glad the devito era is over just so it doesn't sound like I'm advocating for him.
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Seriously? Tons more read option and RPO game. Very different plays being called. Opposing defenses rarely cared about Tommy during the read option, if ever. Backside defender now has to respect Shrader’s legs and can’t crash down the line after Tucker.
And yes, the beard shows excapability. But his presence allows for an even better running game. Offense is no longer stagnant. We ran the ball very well against Wake despite 8 in the box.
Need Shrader to get better at the passing game, and I think he’ll develop as he gets more reps in this offense and becomes more confident in his reads.
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92 yards passing = playing very well?
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He played well but Shrader wasn't given a chance. I dont blame Dino for going with Tommy against Ohio.
I do for Rutgers. By my source Dino wasn't listening to his OC.
the QB who "can't throw" throws for more yards than that when he starts...
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I agree that his game impact is inflated by our board.
That said, I can absolutely see the coaches feeling way more comfortable building a plan for Shrader that involves a 9th year post doc fullback.
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The QB rotations during Rutgers was handled pretty poorly, imo.
I do wish they could have pulled the trigger on the QB switch for Ohio just to get Shrader as many reps as possible. But I think Dino was playing more not to lose than to win that game.
I've also been way more down on Tommy than most, probably, so it's easy for me to say these things.
