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Can we have a grown up convo about what we think the base offense set is?

What do we actually think the base offense set looks like?

I suspect it's going to be a 3 wide, single back set.

I know everyone's enamored with Gadsden nominally listed as a TE, but 1) he's going to be on the field a lot, 2) lining him up with a finger in the dirt doesn't play to his strengths and might even hinder his advantages so calling the base offense a two TE set probably doesn't make sense, and 3) Villari is also going to be on the field a lot as a natural tight end anyway. For purposes of where he lives in the offensive set, Gadsden is one of the 3 wides.

Justus-Simmons would seem to be another. Then there's a snap battle for the 3rd spot between Haynes/Pena/Meeks/Hatcher/one of the many freshmen etc. It looks like we have a lot of productive options there.

Allen's a no brainer as the back.

Also for all you jokers out there I'm assuming 5 OL and a QB (McCord).

3 wide single back. That's the move.
Agreed. No matter what they call OG or where he lines up he is not a TE. Never has been. I see Villari playing a TE/H-Back type role. May also line up in the backfield and be lead blocker. That will enable him to get a carry or 2 or more a game which I really like when its not our #1 play as it ended up being last season. No matter what I think its going to be fun to watch.
 
the ability to run play action and throw accurate passes will be a world of change.

Effective play-action is the most under-rated element to an effective offense.
I also tend to favor misdirection and counters on the interior blocking. It can enable a less talented line to compete with better athletes through misdirection and teamwork.
 
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Effective play-action is the most under-rated element to an effective offense.
I also tend to favor misdirection and counters on the interior blocking. It can enable a less talented line to compete with better athletes through misdirection and teamwork.
Fran might even go back into history and run an unbalanced line with the scissors play.
 
Fran might even go back into history and run an unbalanced line with the scissors play.

The unbalanced line created havoc with the fronts of opposing defenses. I watched a bunch of those old Schwartzwalder teams on tape, and it was really good football.
 
The unbalanced line created havoc with the fronts of opposing defenses. I watched a bunch of those old Schwartzwalder teams on tape, and it was really good football.
Steve would love to see that brought back, it brings he and I back to our youth.
 
I am hoping the quick kick makes a comeback.
Seriously though, it would be a shame not to incorporate some Villari style Wildcat this year, especially with a (seemingly) vastly upgraded O-line.
 
I think this is right.

I suspect the deception will come from play action passing. It's not going to come from a ton of pre snap movement or formation shifts.
I do hope the scheme is not going to rely on us out-talenting or overpowering the opponent. We have better players, sure, but we’re also not Alabama. Before injuries decimated the 2022 team Anae did some nice things with the passing routes to scheme players open.
 
I do hope the scheme is not going to rely on us out-talenting or overpowering the opponent. We have better players, sure, but we’re also not Alabama. Before injuries decimated the 2022 team Anae did some nice things with the passing routes to scheme players open.
I do think down the road he wants to be able to outsize and run power when he wants but i tjink he knows we dont have llineman for that yet. Gotta run some zone and a counter or two with rpo mixed in and bombs. we need bombs
 
I do think down the road he wants to be able to outsize and run power when he wants but i tjink he knows we dont have llineman for that yet. Gotta run some zone and a counter or two with rpo mixed in and bombs. we need bombs

That's where having all these blazing fast receivers is going to be an eye-opener. We haven't had WRs this good since McNabb was here.
 
What is Dixon's rep as a playcaller? Anyone know? Is he well respected in coaching circles?
 
What is Dixon's rep as a playcaller? Anyone know? Is he well respected in coaching circles?

Nixon joined the Panthers after a three-year stint as Baylor's co-Offensive Coordinator and play caller. In 2019, the Bears finished with an 11-win season, an appearance in the Big XII Championship game and Allstate Sugar Bowl. While running the offense, the unit averaged 431.2 yards per game and ranked 17th nationally in scoring offense (35.2 points per game).

The prior season, Baylor finished 22nd in the FBS in total offense (459.1 yards per game). His first season in Waco saw Baylor finish in the top-25 in passing offense, averaging 280 yards per game. Quarterback Charlie Brewer earned Big XII Freshman Offensive Player of the Year under Nixon's guidance, starting a career that saw him finish second all-time at Baylor in career passing yards.
 
Nixon joined the Panthers after a three-year stint as Baylor's co-Offensive Coordinator and play caller. In 2019, the Bears finished with an 11-win season, an appearance in the Big XII Championship game and Allstate Sugar Bowl. While running the offense, the unit averaged 431.2 yards per game and ranked 17th nationally in scoring offense (35.2 points per game).

The prior season, Baylor finished 22nd in the FBS in total offense (459.1 yards per game). His first season in Waco saw Baylor finish in the top-25 in passing offense, averaging 280 yards per game. Quarterback Charlie Brewer earned Big XII Freshman Offensive Player of the Year under Nixon's guidance, starting a career that saw him finish second all-time at Baylor in career passing yards.
Yeah, I'm optimistic that the scenario is Fran has some meathead tendencies but Nixon offsets that, and has the experience and rep (and talent) to run a prolific offense.
 
Nixon joined the Panthers after a three-year stint as Baylor's co-Offensive Coordinator and play caller. In 2019, the Bears finished with an 11-win season, an appearance in the Big XII Championship game and Allstate Sugar Bowl. While running the offense, the unit averaged 431.2 yards per game and ranked 17th nationally in scoring offense (35.2 points per game).

The prior season, Baylor finished 22nd in the FBS in total offense (459.1 yards per game). His first season in Waco saw Baylor finish in the top-25 in passing offense, averaging 280 yards per game. Quarterback Charlie Brewer earned Big XII Freshman Offensive Player of the Year under Nixon's guidance, starting a career that saw him finish second all-time at Baylor in career passing yards.
Some more on how Baylor did under Nixon...

These are Charlie Brewer's stats in college. Note how well he did in his first 3 seasons and the drop off after the years with Coach Nixon.

I think it is a good sign that Charlie was able to be successful immediately as a frosh, continued to be really productive while under Jeff and did not enjoy the same success once Jeff left Baylor.

Also note Charlie ran for 7 TDs as a soph and 11 as a junior. He didn't run for a ton of yards at Baylor but he was a factor near the goal line.


Baylor went from 1-11 in 2017, to 7-6 in 2018 to 11-3 in 2019.

Baylor offensive performance (Nixon called plays from 2017-2019)

YearPPGAvg Yards Rushing per GameAvg Yards Passing per GameRushing TDsPassing TDsYards/CarryYards/Pass Attempt
201634.62241.8280.9225335.07.61
201724.33117.3287.6710233.47.47
201829.54169.1290.0025224.47.76
201933.64166.4255.0735244.48.04
202023.3390.3219.898142.75.98

My takeaways...

Remember, Nixon called the plays from 2017 to 2019. I am including the year before he took over and the year after he left for comparison purposes.

Baylor had a very good offense in 2016. They lost their QB (hence Nixon had to start a frosh QB who had never played before). The rushing attack regressed badly. My guess is that they lost some of their best OL and RBs.

But some of the decline in rushing success might be attributable to the Nixon system. They never ran the ball under Jeff like they did in 2016. The OC for Baylor in 2016 was Kendal Briles and guess what? He ran the Baylor offense Dino Babers tried to also run at Syracuse.

So Jeff is actually going to install his offense in place of essentially the same offense at Syracuse that he did at Baylor, which if nothing else will be interesting to watch.

At Baylor, the Nixon offense really struggled to run the ball effectively in year one. But they were effective passing the ball right away. And remember, this was with a freshman QB running the offense, one who had never played before.

The running attack improved over time under Nixon, as did the overall performance of the offense. But the passing numbers remained fairly even.

With an experienced QB running the show and some proven talent to throw to, I think it is reasonable to expect Syracuse to be successful throwing the ball. I would expect a vast improvement in our passing numbers from 2023, when Garrett was hurt so much and we didn't have a strong WR group or TEs to throw to.

Rushing numbers might stay flat or even go done a bit. I doubt we will run the ball as much as we did last season, when we had a number of games we played essentially without a QB, and a number of others where Shrader played but was limited in the throws he could make.

It really is going to be interesting to see what happens with the Syracuse offense. If the OL can be decent, and McCord and OG can stay healthy, I would expect a major improvement overall in the Syracuse offense for 2024.
 
If the OL can be decent...

Seems like that's the mantra for SU football every season.

And agree 100% -- if the OL can be decent, meaning both that it can open holes better than in the past and give McCord time to throw, then I think the offense has a chance to be very good, even in year 1.

If McCord doesn't have time to throw... well, that's certainly going to inhibit his effectiveness. That's where he struggled at OSU.
 

Lots of play action and the numbers say that McCord is very good when that's what he's running
 
Yes. Check out his college play calling.
I think he has a good reputation.

He was named the interim OC at Carolina after they let their OC go in 2021. Matt Rhule was the HC and Joe Brady was the OC that was fired. Joe was a hot commodity when he was hired from LSU in 2020 after helping to lead them to a NC. Jeff was picked over a bunch of other offensive coaches there.

I know the Giants did not want to lose him and did not release him to coach at Syracuse until their season finally ended.

Also, I know he interviewed for the open OC position with Dallas after the 2023 season.
 
Red zone or short yardage I would expect 12 P as money3189 posted. Per the OP 11 personnel sounds good as a base to keep teams honest with our balance.

Against peer opponents, however, a lot will depend on the OL. If it's NRFPT, JN will need to get creative. I think it is likely that ACC DC's (NCSt., UM, V-T), with big DL's, good LB's and fast corners, will test us with their favorite strategy: stack the box and jam our WR's. They have done this for years forcing out QB's to scramble and stuffing the run. Countering that strategy will require disguised looks mixing in RPO's, screens, draws, counters, buttonholes, 1-2 second routes for OG, VIllari and JRS .. more of a dink and dunk possession offense. Some pace could be added in.

If the OL is able to create running lanes, the stacked box starts to fall apart. Ground and pound runs clock, moves the chains, and opens other things up - as we've learned the hard way. DC's might have to pull their safeties up, exposing them to deep routes by Haynes and GIll. If the safeties stay back and our OL can protect him, Kyle can go over the middle to OG, JRS, Meeks, Pena. Either way, with our talent at RB, TE and WR a functional OL makes us difficult to stop even for an upper tier ACC defense.
 
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Yeah, I'm optimistic that the scenario is Fran has some meathead tendencies but Nixon offsets that, and has the experience and rep (and talent) to run a prolific offense.

Here's one area where I like that Nixon has so much NFL experience. Game planning doesn't get any more complex than that. I really liked him talking about wanting to be able to take advantage of whatever the opponent's weakness is.
 

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