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Carthage High School freshman football player dies from brain injury

My 13 year old just told me he's thinking about playing next year. As much as I love this game, loved playing this game, I just don't know...
My son played last year and advised he wasn’t really interested this year. I was kind of relieved. I have been following this story since it happened. Prayers to the family of the young man. Sad.
 
I played for 12 years, I have a 3.5 year old. He really isn’t into sports yet, just starting soccer but I wouldn’t encourage him to play football. The physical and mental toll it took on me is tremendous. I will let him make up his own mind, but I should have quit after high school. RIP to this young man.
 
Unimaginable. My son is playing freshman football right now, his first time trying the sport. There was always the possibility of saying no to him, but at the same time, a parent wants their kid to be bold and try new things. It’s not easy.
 
Unimaginable. My son is playing freshman football right now, his first time trying the sport. There was always the possibility of saying no to him, but at the same time, a parent wants their kid to be bold and try new things. It’s not easy.
It was never in the cards for my boys...they were late bloomers physically. Instead they ran Cross-Country, worst injury was shin splints to the youngest.

Football ten years from now: will new rule changes dramatically change the game? Will big swaths of higher income areas cancel teams? Will Soccer and Lacrosse take over in these areas? Will the sport only stay popular in rural and southern areas?
 
I'm obsessed with football in every sense of the word, but I don't want my son playing it. I struggle with that because it makes me feel like a hypocrite.

I can't imagine what those parents are dealing with right now. Devastating.
 
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It was never in the cards for my boys...they were late bloomers physically. Instead they ran Cross-Country, worst injury was shin splints to the youngest.

Football ten years from now: will new rule changes dramatically change the game? Will big swaths of higher income areas cancel teams? Will Soccer and Lacrosse take over in these areas? Will the sport only stay popular in rural and southern areas?
it's already happening....


sports gonna be on life support down the road. This linked article will continue and expand and then a the college level the academically inclined schools like the Ivys and Hamiltons of the world and their leagues will disband next.

The sport will stick around in some altered form as long as it can be used by the financially disadvantaged to shoot for a better life from it, but, yeah it'll be faltering from here due to the various head trauma issues like the horrible story linked here.
 
It was never in the cards for my boys...they were late bloomers physically. Instead they ran Cross-Country, worst injury was shin splints to the youngest.

Football ten years from now: will new rule changes dramatically change the game? Will big swaths of higher income areas cancel teams? Will Soccer and Lacrosse take over in these areas? Will the sport only stay popular in rural and southern areas?
Same here. My son got my growth profile, it seems.

He played for the Milton feeder 6th grade team last year, and was one of the two smallest kids on the team. There were kids near 6 feet tall last year who outweighed him by 75-100 pounds. This year he's running cross-country and doing soccer. The team hired him as film scout, though, so he gets paid to film opponents' games and also the Milton JV games.

There was a kid on Woodstock last year, Taj, who was about 6'2". He dwarfed almost everyone on every team they played. Watching him run the ball was like seeing the AT-ST in Return of the Jedi, dragging a cluster of Ewoks on its legs. But then in the playoff game against Milton, he got popped by one of the big linemen and his neck got jammed, and down he went like a sack. 45 minutes later and he's carted off the field on a stretcher and into an ambulance. He was OK, but he is also not playing football this year, focusing on hoops now.
 
Not a subscriber so haven't been able to read all the articles did the hit occur during the game?
 
I got two sons both young but very big for their age and very athletic (mostly because of their mom)the older one is about to start small fry, and I am glad the league takes precautions dealing with size, I do not want to worry about other kids getting hurt. Football is dangerous but my boys love it, they started flag in kindergarten. I played from small fry all the way to college so I don’t want to be a hypocrite, but I’d be lying if I said I wouldn’t mind them sticking to basketball and baseball.
 
Tragic and prayers for the family of this young man....

As a parent it's a tough decision, our little guy tried football didn't like it (now swims and dives), which Im fine with, I do however think sports our vital for our youth and teach so many valuable lessons not to mention keeps them busy (hopefully out of trouble) and in shape both mentally and physically

All that said the NFL is a billion dollar, full steam ahead freight train and no doubt rely on the youth to keep the steam going. Im sure they see and hear what many parents are saying about safety concerns and have a 5, 10 and 20 year plan to not only keep the game going but prospering in the safest fashion possible.
 
A tragic story and like everyone else, I can't imagine loading a child at age 14 due to a sporting event. But it's not the first time something like that has happened.

This is from the 1953 verison of my old series, (Itaht I've got to get back to one of these days), "The Bold, Brave Men of Archibold". We tied Boston U. in the old rock pile in the second game of that year, 14-14 on 10/2/53, 13 days before I was born.

"Early in the fourth period of this game, Boston U was lining up for a play after moving from their 10 to the 30 on “seven hard-fought running plays” when guard John Pappas sank to one knee and told his teammates “I was banged on a play or two before.” It was the last thing he ever said. He passed out and never regained consciousness. He died at 3:30AM the following morning. His parents arrived at Hancock Airport at 5:30AM and were taken by cab to the Hotel Onondaga where Coach Donelli had to tell them that their son was dead.

An autopsy at University Hospital determined Pappas died of “an unusual hemorrhage to the middle brain, which caused impairment of vital body processes“, but there had been no fracture. Dr. Edward Swift said “It’s very unusual in football when a player who suffers a head injury isn’t knocked out.” He labeled it “a freak accident”, saying “He suddenly went bad and died.“ A picture in the paper of Pappas in action earlier in the game shows him without any face-mask: but nobody else has one, either.

Both coachers agreed that the game wasn’t unusually rough and it was reported that the players on both teams were very friendly to each other after the game. SU Athletic Director Lew Andreas said that relations between the schools had always been good and there was no reason to believe that would change. Donelli said that as far as he knew, the Terriers would play the remaining games on their schedule. SU and BU would continue to play every year through 1960.

There was some talk that the injury was due to the one-platoon system being too much for Pappas and potentially other players to handle but Donelli said that in his career Pappas had played as much as 55 minutes in a game under the two platoon system and not been injured.

A telegram was sent to Boston U. and to Pappas family, signed by the men’s and women’s student government heads at SU, offering condolences and saying they would like to attend the funeral. 1000 people were in attendance, including all 50 of Papas’ teammates. A collection was taken among the crowd at Boston U’s next game against Penn State to establish a memorial fund. At the end of the season, SU’s players named John Pappas the captain of their All-opponent team.

Bill Reddy wrote: “The death of John Pappas, the fine young senior guard on the Boston University team., was a shocking affair and his family an teammates receive all our sympathy. This is the first fatality suffered as a result of an injury suffered in Archbold Stadium since the big concrete bowl was built in 1909 and the medical findings still are incomplete. There is a possibility, based on studies which have not been fully checked, that a pre-game injury, entirely unsuspected, led up to Pappas’ death. Regardless of everything else, however, it is a sad outcome for any game. It casts a pall over both squads and leaves football itself in an ignoble light.”
 
Not a subscriber so haven't been able to read all the articles did the hit occur during the game?
So I’m right here where it happened and spoke to a ref last night who said there was no one appreciable hit nor any injury that occurred.

Nor any one play that anyone noticed it may have occurred. Personally I think it’s likely it occurred during the game and was missed/wasn’t noticed but I don’t think they film jv games so they might not be able to look for it.

Regardless have to assume an autopsy will be done shortly so they can figure out if it was from a fractured skull/brain trauma from an acute injury/hit during the game, or if it was some kind of quirky weird genetic/congenital malformation in and amongst his cranial arterial system like an undiscovered aneurysm that made this just a tragic unfortunate situation not connected to the game.
 
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I'm obsessed with football in every sense of the word, but I don't want my son playing it. I struggle with that because it makes me feel like a hypocrite.

I can't imagine what those parents are dealing with right now. Devastating.

My Dad didn't outright ban us from playing but didn't encourage it either. I've only played pick up backyard football. The youth league fell off when I was a kid which led to no varsity football at LaFayette from 1990-1996, which included all my HS years. I went to practices for a Jr. High team in 1990 but not enough kids showed up. I ended playing soccer in the fall.
 
It was never in the cards for my boys...they were late bloomers physically. Instead they ran Cross-Country, worst injury was shin splints to the youngest.

Football ten years from now: will new rule changes dramatically change the game? Will big swaths of higher income areas cancel teams? Will Soccer and Lacrosse take over in these areas? Will the sport only stay popular in rural and southern areas?
My son is short (my fault) but athletic, and he also plays hockey and lacrosse... so basically he's playing the trifecta of dangerous sports. I live in one of those higher income, non-Southern areas, and his frosh football team is pretty big, 35 kids I think. For all the awareness of CTE, it doesn't seem like it has kept a ton of kids from playing in my little corner of the world.
 

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