Cathers

[WoodyUK]

The word on Cathers is that he will be at OCC next year and then either back to Cuse or elsewhere!

 

[outoftownie]

I would say there is a 50/50 chance he is at occ next year. Can't imagine him ever suiting up for SU. It is a shame when talented people don't grab the opportunities right in front of them.

 

[WoodyUK]

I would also try to drag David Soloman away from Maryland didnt start but could be a superstar!

Anyone heard anything on Ky Tarbell and who is recruiting him?

 

[WoodyUK]

http://espn.go.com/blog/high-school/lacrosse/post/_/id/282/warrior-40-alumnus-selects-albany#more

Sorry looks like Ky is going to Albany!

 

[PhatOrange]

I'm sure Desko has some hot shot recruit lined up from Tennessee instead. Why recruit the Mohawks or the Canadians when we can get kids from Utah and Florida.

The apologists will say Tarball (like the Thompsons) can't get by Syracuse admissions, forgetting that it's the same admissions office that let in Omari Palmer, Paul Harris, Dion Waiters and on and on and on.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I'm sure Desko has some hot shot recruit lined up from Tennessee instead. Why recruit the Mohawks or the Canadians when we can get kids from Utah and Florida.

The apologists will say Tarball (like the Thompsons) can't get by Syracuse admissions, forgetting that it's the same admissions office that let in Omari Palmer, Paul Harris, Dion Waiters and on and on and on.

The same admissions office that turned away Jerome Thompson, Tiki Mayben, Andrey Baskin, etc...

 

[PhatOrange]

The same admissions office that turned away Jerome Thompson, Tiki Mayben, Andrey Baskin, etc...

Turned Thompson away? You know that for a fact?

Not really good examples with Mayben and Baskin since they were non-qualifiers. Syracuse doesn't except non-qualifiers.

Unless someone has an 'in' at the admissions office or the kids admit it nobody is ever going to know what the deal was with the two Thompson. Everyone's convienant excuse is admissions except there are countless examples of poor student athletes being accepted.

http://blog.syracuse.com/sports/2009/11/lafayettes_thompson_brothers_p.html

 

[PhatOrange]

And Cody Jamieson was no honor roll student either. If you remember Syracuse had to appeal to the NCAA to get a waiver to allow him to be eligible to play - because of an online course.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

http://blog.syracuse.com/orangelacrosse/2009/06/syracuse_university_mens_lacro_44.html

Jerome Thompson led the nation with 65 goals and 56 assists for 121 points and was recently named the NJCAA offensive player of the year. Wilbur said Jerome is taking classes over the summer to try to graduate in time to gain admittance to SU in the fall. He said Jeremy graduated last month and is in the process of applying at SU.

http://blog.syracuse.com/orangelacrosse/2009/07/jeremy_thompson_enrolls_at_syr.html

Thompson's brother, Jerome, the stockier of the two brothers, is playing box lacrosse this summer and does not have the requisite course work to enroll at SU.

Does this mean he never got an OCC degree, or he did graduate and SU wouldn't take him?

 

[JeremyCuse]

http://blog.syracuse.com/orangelacrosse/2009/06/syracuse_university_mens_lacro_44.html

Jerome Thompson led the nation with 65 goals and 56 assists for 121 points and was recently named the NJCAA offensive player of the year. Wilbur said Jerome is taking classes over the summer to try to graduate in time to gain admittance to SU in the fall. He said Jeremy graduated last month and is in the process of applying at SU.

http://blog.syracuse.com/orangelacrosse/2009/07/jeremy_thompson_enrolls_at_syr.html

Thompson's brother, Jerome, the stockier of the two brothers, is playing box lacrosse this summer and does not have the requisite course work to enroll at SU.

Does this mean he never got an OCC degree, or he did graduate and SU wouldn't take him?

Extreme is correct, Jerome never graduated and was never eligible to even apply at SU from what I was told. I agree with you Phat about recruiting being a bit down the past few years especially on the Island but its hard to fault Desko about the local Native Americans as in most cases they havent been in regular schools until late middle school/highschool and have a very hard time becoming eligible for college especially SU.

 

[jr4750]

The ACC opens up the MD private schools to us like never before. You want talent, let's start working that pipeline. I also concur that we have to do a better job on the island... Too much talent, and we just haven't gotten our fair share. We own CNY, the occasional loss here or there is gonna happen. Kids sometimes want to go away for school...

 

[PhatOrange]

Extreme is correct, Jerome never graduated and was never eligible to even apply at SU from what I was told. I agree with you Phat about recruiting being a bit down the past few years especially on the Island but its hard to fault Desko about the local Native Americans as in most cases they havent been in regular schools until late middle school/highschool and have a very hard time becoming eligible for college especially SU.

Just curious but do you think he didn't need to graduate from OCC then to be accepted in to Albany State?

As we all know, Syracuse is far from Harvard; they accepted Cody Jamieson. I find it hard to believe Thompson couldn’t get by SU admissions but SUNY Albany had no problem. Especially with him maybe not graduating from OCC. To add to that I believe special admissions considerations would’ve applied with him being a Native American minority and all. IMHO, based on SU admission practices past/present and what I do know, I believe Syracuse could’ve and would’ve accepted him.

On the flip side, I don't believe you need a JUCO degree to get into a D1 school - and this provision might not apply to sports other than football/basketball. I knew lots of guys who didn't graduate from Community College before enrolling into a D1 or D3 school to play lacrosse, but for those guys academics were never really the issue. They were borderline/average students but usually at juco because of money or for wanting more exposure.

 

[GoSU96]

Just curious but do you think he didn't need to graduate from OCC then to be accepted in to Albany State?

As we all know, Syracuse is far from Harvard; they accepted Cody Jamieson. I find it hard to believe Thompson couldn’t get by SU admissions but SUNY Albany had no problem. Especially with him maybe not graduating from OCC. To add to that I believe special admissions considerations would’ve applied with him being a Native American minority and all. IMHO, based on SU admission practices past/present and what I do know, I believe Syracuse could’ve and would’ve accepted him.

On the flip side, I don't believe you need a JUCO degree to get into a D1 school - and this provision might not apply to sports other than football/basketball. I knew lots of guys who didn't graduate from Community College before enrolling into a D1 or D3 school to play lacrosse, but for those guys academics were never really the issue. They were borderline/average students but usually at juco because of money or for wanting more exposure.

Transfer rules within SUNY may be different than admission out of OCC at SU.

 

[GoSU96]

I'm sure Desko has some hot shot recruit lined up from Tennessee instead. Why recruit the Mohawks or the Canadians when we can get kids from Utah and Florida.

The apologists will say Tarball (like the Thompsons) can't get by Syracuse admissions, forgetting that it's the same admissions office that let in Omari Palmer, Paul Harris, Dion Waiters and on and on and on.

What are you complaining about, it's huge roster. There's one kid from Illinois, one from Texas, one from Oregon, one from Colorado that all played. One kid from Tennesee redshirted this year. That's the list of kids outside of traditional recruiting areas, unless you count Ohio as being in the forbidden zone.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Just curious but do you think he didn't need to graduate from OCC then to be accepted in to Albany State?

As we all know, Syracuse is far from Harvard; they accepted Cody Jamieson. I find it hard to believe Thompson couldn’t get by SU admissions but SUNY Albany had no problem. Especially with him maybe not graduating from OCC. To add to that I believe special admissions considerations would’ve applied with him being a Native American minority and all. IMHO, based on SU admission practices past/present and what I do know, I believe Syracuse could’ve and would’ve accepted him.

On the flip side, I don't believe you need a JUCO degree to get into a D1 school - and this provision might not apply to sports other than football/basketball. I knew lots of guys who didn't graduate from Community College before enrolling into a D1 or D3 school to play lacrosse, but for those guys academics were never really the issue. They were borderline/average students but usually at juco because of money or for wanting more exposure.

I think we maybe talking about different players Jerome as far as I know never enrolled at U Albany and his college career ended after OCC but I could be wrong but I know he never played Lax again at the collegiate level.

Regarding your other points I will see if I can answer them or give some clarity:

SU does have a special program set up for Native American students but that is for the actual cost of college (its a free education in most cases) but they still need to meet the actual admission standards for SU and for Sports based on the NCAA guidelines and obviously SU does not even entertain partial qualifieres.

I believe you are correct about not needing an actual JUCO degree to transfer to a D1 school however, that implies that the student/athlete was eligible from the get go out of high school and has a qualifying GPA/Grades from the JUCO. If they were not eligible out of highschool I believe a JUCO degree is required before they can transfer. (Extreme your thoughts on that?)

Regarding the younger Thompson brothers I am not sure if the grades they had would have gotten them in at Syracuse or if Albany made a concession but from Desko's standpoing I can see why he may have abandoned recruiting them. Unfortunately our recruitment of native americans has been a mixed bag at best the last 5 years and in all honesty Desko may have decided the Thompsons werent worth all the hassle/work /effort that was going to be needed when it was considered a long shot for them to ever qualify. For every Cody Jameson and Sid Smith that works out there is a Kent Squires-Hill, Jerome Thompson, the Printup Brothers, the kid from Arizona, and most recently James Cathers who the program and Desko went out of there way to help get eligible and on the team and got burned big time.

I am not advocating abandoning native american recruits but I believe the staff should concentrate more on the Island and downstate where we have been bleeding top recruits where we can land top 50 kids who have four yeas of eligibility versus the JUCO route where its 50/50 at best on getting these kids eligible and then a whole other process keeping them in school.

 

[jr4750]

I think we maybe talking about different players Jerome as far as I know never enrolled at U Albany and his college career ended after OCC but I could be wrong but I know he never played Lax again at the collegiate level.

Regarding your other points I will see if I can answer them or give some clarity:

SU does have a special program set up for Native American students but that is for the actual cost of college (its a free education in most cases) but they still need to meet the actual admission standards for SU and for Sports based on the NCAA guidelines and obviously SU does not even entertain partial qualifieres.

I believe you are correct about not needing an actual JUCO degree to transfer to a D1 school however, that implies that the student/athlete was eligible from the get go out of high school and has a qualifying GPA/Grades from the JUCO. If they were not eligible out of highschool I believe a JUCO degree is required before they can transfer. (Extreme your thoughts on that?)

Regarding the younger Thompson brothers I am not sure if the grades they had would have gotten them in at Syracuse or if Albany made a concession but from Desko's standpoing I can see why he may have abandoned recruiting them. Unfortunately our recruitment of native americans has been a mixed bag at best the last 5 years and in all honesty Desko may have decided the Thompsons werent worth all the hassle/work /effort that was going to be needed when it was considered a long shot for them to ever qualify. For every Cody Jameson and Sid Smith that works out there is a Kent Squires-Hill, Jerome Thompson, the Printup Brothers, the kid from Arizona, and most recently James Cathers who the program and Desko went out of there way to help get eligible and on the team and got burned big time.

I am not advocating abandoning native american recruits but I believe the staff should concentrate more on the Island and downstate where we have been bleeding top recruits where we can land top 50 kids who have four yeas of eligibility versus the JUCO route where its 50/50 at best on getting these kids eligible and then a whole other process keeping them in school.

This last point is great... JUCO's are mixed bags mostly. The kid we brought in this year, Matt Pratt who was all world at OCC barely played and was not very effective this year, and now he is a senior with only one year left. I don't think you can count on them to be contributors that often. I also don't care where great players come from. We just need to find them and bring them aboard. We have great athletes, but we have had a few years without a dominant attack... Wheres the next Nims, Leville, etc, and even Kenny took a few years to develop...

 

[elkeed]

Can any of these guys faceoff and get us the freakin ball?

 

[WoodyUK]

The Cody saga was nothing to do with an online course!

 

[longtimefan]

The ACC opens up the MD private schools to us like never before. You want talent, let's start working that pipeline. I also concur that we have to do a better job on the island... Too much talent, and we just haven't gotten our fair share. We own CNY, the occasional loss here or there is gonna happen. Kids sometimes want to go away for school...

Where are the Canadians? Hopkins (!) starts 2 Canadian attackmen this season. More and more are on NCAA rosters. I think we need to cultivate relationships with prep schools like the Hill School (although, I don't think Merrill has sent a lot of guys to GTown).

 

[PhatOrange]

I think we maybe talking about different players Jerome as far as I know never enrolled at U Albany and his college career ended after OCC but I could be wrong but I know he never played Lax again at the collegiate level.

Regarding your other points I will see if I can answer them or give some clarity:

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I was referring to the two Thompson brothers at Albany. The older one - Miles is it? Anyhow...it's a silly debate the kids' not here for reasons we'll never know.

Recruiting needs to focus on Upstate, Long Island, Hudson Valley, Iroquis Nations and Canada, followed by NJ, CT, PA, Mass, MD, VA. (probably in that order). I woudn't ever go outside this area unless a truly special kid came around.

The failure to recruit the Island anymore is unacceptable. Desko needs to go out and get an assistant who's from the Island if he needs to.

The Indians are truly special players because they grow up playing both box and field lacrosse - and they grow up tough. As long as a coach can reign in their free wheelin style of play and they are qualified. And the Canadian box lacrosse stick skills are usually unmatched.

 

[JeremyCuse]

I was referring to the two Thompson brothers at Albany. The older one - Miles is it? Anyhow...it's a silly debate the kids' not here for reasons we'll never know.

Recruiting needs to focus on Upstate, Long Island, Hudson Valley, Iroquis Nations and Canada, followed by NJ, CT, PA, Mass, MD, VA. (probably in that order). I woudn't ever go outside this area unless a truly special kid came around.

The failure to recruit the Island anymore is unacceptable. Desko needs to go out and get an assistant who's from the Island if he needs to.

The Indians are truly special players because they grow up playing both box and field lacrosse - and they grow up tough. As long as a coach can reign in their free wheelin style of play and they are qualified. And the Canadian box lacrosse stick skills are usually unmatched.

There are two Thompson brothers (Myles and Lyle - Extreme is that correct?) currently at Albany plus there cousin Ty. None of those three ever attended OCC and Ty is allready a Junior I believe. SU never recruited Ty and as noted here SU simply stopped recruiting the two brothers when they were Juniors for reasons we likely will never know.

SU has always recruited nationally and hit almost all of the areas you outlined including Upstate, LI, NJ, Maryland, PA, VA, MD Mass etc. With the growth of the sport however, SU needs to keep hitting up the non traditional areas ie Texas, Cali/West Coast, Ohio, Colorado, deep south etc. Now is not the time to essentially abandon those areas for the more traditional grounds when those other areas are starting to explode especially down south and the mid part of the country with Michigan coming to D1.

What we do need though is a renewed effort in NYC and especially Long Island and the other surrounding areas. Recruiting the Indian nations and Canada should be a priority but we need to be selective and pick our battles when 90% of those kids need to go the Juco route if they qualify at all.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Myles and Lyle went right from Lafayette to UAlbany (Miles is currently a Soph, Lyle is a Frosh).

Their cousin Ty is from up north (Hogansburg), and he's also a Soph.

I was told years ago that Myles and Lyle weren't expected to qualify (at either SU or UAlbany). Kudos to both of them for taking school seriously their junior and senior years.

Maybe Desko expected to grab them down the road at OCC, and he got outsmarted.

 

[PhatOrange]

There are two Thompson brothers (Myles and Lyle - Extreme is that correct?) currently at Albany plus there cousin Ty. None of those three ever attended OCC and Ty is allready a Junior I believe. SU never recruited Ty and as noted here SU simply stopped recruiting the two brothers when they were Juniors for reasons we likely will never know.

I was always talking about the Thompson brothers at Albany and somehow I got twisted into thinking the older one went to OCC. So my bad on getting confused. Nevertheless, i thought the deal with the SUNY Albany Thompson was that he couldn't get by SU Admissions and I still don't believe that to be true. Anyhow I'm moving on.

I realize we've always recruited those areas but my biggest beef is with Long Island. We don't sniff the Island anymore (and we're talking public high schools) and that really shouldn't be acceptable.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I realize we've always recruited those areas but my biggest beef is with Long Island. We don't sniff the Island anymore (and we're talking public high schools) and that really shouldn't be acceptable.

Ryan Palasek is from Rocky Point, and there's a goalie coming from Manhasset.

In the Class of 2013 there's another Island kid already committed.

 

[outoftownie]

I agree that SU is getting killed on long island. We have never really been strong players on long island (I still think we should schedule hofstra or Stony Brook to help). Another spot we struggle is in Philly. I think some people will disagree with me, but Philly is putting out more top talent than upstate ny in top recent years.