Chris McCullough Isn't The Problem, College Athletics Is The Problem

[Jeremy L.]

http://www.nunesmagician.com/2015/4...-the-problem-college-athletics-is-the-problem


Great read once again from Sean.

 

[jncuse]

The following comment in his article was very poorly written and lacked comprehension of what the NBA desires

" It's an NBA rule that requires players to wait until they're a "certain age before they are allowed to earn a living at their profession, even if they are ready and even if the teams involved in the league want them *.

If you're talented enough and there's interest in your services**, there is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't be allowed to offer your services. And that's the ironic part...McCullough is leaving because NBA teams are interested in him. The ones who put the rule in place are the ones who want him to leave school and join them so desperately. ***"

* That is 100% false. The league and its teams do not want a mass number of high schoolers. That's why they made the rule. They want to make it easier on teams that are drafting -- they want them to play in the NCAA so its easier to scout and possibly rule out a few kids. Make drafting easier on the lotto teams.. start second contracts a year later.. increases parity. The NBA has no interest in ever having a Brown/Curry/Chandler/Diop type draft ever again.

** See point 1, That is whole ing reason for the rule. HOW HARD IS IT TO UNDERSTAND? NBA teams are not interested in the services of 18 year old or 19 year olds as a whole if they could.

*** Once again not true. THERE IS NO IRONY HERE. This is the league that wants the 2 and done rule. They would rather a rule be in place for Chris to stay in school. And it's also an unfounded assumption that teams are lining up for him. At the same time, if the players union does not want to succumb past a one and done rule, it is possible that teams with back end picks in the draft not dissuade for marginal entrants to come in.

Chris also demonstrates why they have the one and done rule, and why they want the 2 and done rule. It gave scouts a glimpse of him. And in some cases it was not flattering this year.

 

[Madbiker]

Dumb article. Has nothing to do with "college athletics". It's an NBA problem and only the NBA can address the issue. Total lack of attention or understanding to the factors motivating the NBA some of which have nothing to do with on court basketball. The NBA had a lot of problems with 18 year old direct from high school kids and their off court living on their own for the first time. Lots of problems, lack of maturity, getting into trouble. The teams didn't want to be babysitters. It's a prime reason for the current rule in addition to the scouting aspect.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

If McCullough is having a child and is leaving in part because he wants to provide for his family, wouldn't it be so much simpler if he could profit from his own name and license and maintain his eligibility as a college player? Why can't Dinosaur BBQ contract with him to spend a few hours every Saturday in the restaurant signing autographs? Or hey, why can't he get a stipend from Nike?

 

[orangenirvana]

Dumb article. Has nothing to do with "college athletics". It's an NBA problem and only the NBA can address the issue. Total lack of attention or understanding to the factors motivating the NBA some of which have nothing to do with on court basketball. The NBA had a lot of problems with 18 year old direct from high school kids and their off court living on their own for the first time. Lots of problems, lack of maturity, getting into trouble. The teams didn't want to be babysitters. It's a prime reason for the current rule in addition to the scouting aspect.

Then the NBA should put in a two or even three year rule. That would eliminate the awful one-and-done picks, too. Even better.

Combined with paying players like they're college employees (because, ya know, they are) and allowing them to profit from their "likeness" and hold jobs outside of the college, and we may be able to save college hoops, improve the NBA product, and increase ethical standards all at the same time.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Then the NBA should put in a two or even three year rule. That would eliminate the awful one-and-done picks, too. Even better.

Combined with paying players like they're college employees (because, ya know, they are) and allowing them to profit from their "likeness" and hold jobs outside of the college, and we may be able to save college hoops, improve the NBA product, and increase ethical standards all at the same time.

See, I didn't even think you need to pay the players. I think having a monetary transaction like that directly from the school to the player would just get too ugly. Just let them make money for endorsements.

 

[ebucklewis]

See, I didn't even think you need to pay the players. I think having a monetary transaction like that directly from the school to the player would just get too ugly. Just let them make money for endorsements.

speaking of slippery slopes - what kind of endorsement deals do you think Kentucky boosters are willing to make?

 

[orangenirvana]

See, I didn't even think you need to pay the players. I think having a monetary transaction like that directly from the school to the player would just get too ugly. Just let them make money for endorsements.

Endorsements only would be a good first step at least but I don't see what would be ugly about direct pay from the school. It can't possibly be any uglier than pretending these athletes are amateurs while television companies are paying billions to show them playing.

 

[orangenirvana]

speaking of slippery slopes - what kind of endorsement deals do you think Kentucky boosters are willing to make?

The same they're making now. At least then it would be out in the open.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

speaking of slippery slopes - what kind of endorsement deals do you think Kentucky boosters are willing to make?

I don't actually care.

 

[Madbiker]

See, I didn't even think you need to pay the players. I think having a monetary transaction like that directly from the school to the player would just get too ugly. Just let them make money for endorsements.

If you allow that, boosters will literally be "buying" recruits. The only way to keep a semblance of a level playing field would be to put such money into a common players fund to be divided equally among all players. How you make that work I have no idea.

 

[orangenirvana]

If you allow that, boosters will literally be "buying" recruits. The only way to keep a semblance of a level playing field would be to put such money into a common players fund to be divided equally among all players. How you make that work I have no idea.

I don't mind the players fund idea, but I just don't find it necessary. If that's what the boosters want to do with their money, so be it. Today, there is no level playing field when it comes to college sports recruiting. There really never has been. Allowing players to be rightfully paid would not make the playing field any less level.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

If you allow that, boosters will literally be "buying" recruits. The only way to keep a semblance of a level playing field would be to put such money into a common players fund to be divided equally among all players. How you make that work I have no idea.

I don't care about a level playing field. Why do we care about a level playing field?

 

[NKR1978]

See, I didn't even think you need to pay the players. I think having a monetary transaction like that directly from the school to the player would just get too ugly. Just let them make money for endorsements.

This has been my position for years. Most of these guys will never be as famous as they are when they're in college and playing and it is so fundamentally unAnamerican that they can't profit off that fame.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

This has been my position for years. Most of these guys will never be as famous as they are when they're in college and playing and it is so fundamentally unAnamerican that they can't profit off that fame.

I think athletes at small schools in semi-remote locations would really benefit actually. As well as olympic sport athletes.

 

[NKR1978]

I think athletes at small schools in semi-remote locations would really benefit actually. As well as olympic sport athletes.

Rebecca Lobo would have made millions in Connecticut circa 1995. The Powell's would have cleaned up in Syracuse. And if the athletes could profit they might actively market themselves to make their sports more popular and make some money for the AD.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Rebecca Lobo would have made millions in Connecticut circa 1995. The Powell's would have cleaned up in Syracuse. And if the athletes could profit they might actively market themselves to make their sports more popular and make some money for the AD.

Jimmer Fredette could have retired before he even graduated.

 

[Madbiker]

I don't care about a level playing field. Why do we care about a level playing field?

Because SU will not fare well in a free for all bidding environment against big state schools.

 

[orangenirvana]

Because SU will not fare well in a free for all bidding environment against big state schools.

Syracuse's basketball program is one of the most profitable in the country. They'd be fine. Besides, I don't think public schools are going to be able to make a habit of using taxpayer money on basketball recruits.

 

[Madbiker]

Syracuse's basketball program is one of the most profitable in the country. They'd be fine. Besides, I don't think public schools are going to be able to make a habit of using taxpayer money on basketball recruits.

It's not the money from the school or taxpayers that's the problem. It's money from the crazy boosters. State schools have a much bigger network with more $$$. Boosters from Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan, UK, KU, UNC, FSU, IU, UF, UT, etc. aren't going to be outbid for a kid they want -- at least not without a bidding war. "Son I'm prepared to offer you $200k a year for the use of your likeness and personal endorsement of my xxxx business and I know several other prominent school boosters who will want to offer you similar arrangements -- if you choose our school."

 

[SBU72]

Stupid article, misses the point even when it mentions the basic problem. Yeah, college could change some of their rules but it still doesn't get away from the NBA rule. Colleges can never pay the stars, the 1 n dones enough to offset the expected paychecks from the pros. Booster and/or endorsements can't pay the over $1,000,000 paid to first rounder's or the over $500,000 to 2nd rounder's. And even if they could, how insufferable would the kids be on campus who got such "stipends" to their teammates, coaches etc. Just think, they complain now how the players run the teams in the NBA, what would happen to the college game, if certain players were paid huge amounts.

 

[billsin01]

Endorsements only would be a good first step at least but I don't see what would be ugly about direct pay from the school. It can't possibly be any uglier than pretending these athletes are amateurs while television companies are paying billions to show them playing.

I agree with pretending they are amateurs but wouldn't the answer simply be to do away with any one-and-done rule? If you're good enough to pay for play and you want to do it you have two options -- nba draft and europe. If there is a market for some sort of minor league hoops set-up (like the D League except, you know, an actual developmental league where legit prospects go to develop), then great, start that too.

But for those kids not good enough to play in the NBA straight out of high school and not interested in playing for pay elsewhere, go to college, try to improve and maybe even -- hey, this is a novel idea -- get a degree!!!! (and, as a note here, I really don't care if you want to cheat in every class. Go for it, what do I care?)

The notion that a kid *deserves* pay simply b/c the university is making money is somewhat ridiculous, IMO. I've never seen anyone put anything together like this, but if you calculate the actual value of a college diploma (and I"m fine with full rides including room and board, text books, etc) as well as the perks like access to state-of-the-art workout facilites, strength coaches, dietary consultants, tutors, priority scheduling, social standing (let's not pretend that being on a college team doesn't carry some nice social perks), etc. -- it's really a pretty solid deal. Especially if you consider that A -- you have options pay for play and B -- if you're really offended by the universities selling tickets and allowing you to play in front of thousands of screaming fans, you can not play basketball.

 

[djcon57]

If you allow that, boosters will literally be "buying" recruits. The only way to keep a semblance of a level playing field would be to put such money into a common players fund to be divided equally among all players. How you make that work I have no idea.

Lol.

Hate to break it to you. Boosters are buying recruits now through the guise of "facilities"
The only difference is the money will actually be hitting the players pockets.
Oh the horror

 

[djcon57]

It's not the money from the school or taxpayers that's the problem. It's money from the crazy boosters. State schools have a much bigger network with more $$$. Boosters from Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan, UK, KU, UNC, FSU, IU, UF, UT, etc. aren't going to be outbid for a kid they want -- at least not without a bidding war. "Son I'm prepared to offer you $200k a year for the use of your likeness and personal endorsement of my xxxx business and I know several other prominent school boosters who will want to offer you similar arrangements -- if you choose our school."

Why is this a problem?

So the players will be making money without any of the money coming out of the schools pocket.

Is the argument that "my school/team won't be as good"...because if it is, that's not a good argument.

 

[Orange2389]

If McCullough is having a child and is leaving in part because he wants to provide for his family, wouldn't it be so much simpler if he could profit from his own name and license and maintain his eligibility as a college player? Why can't Dinosaur BBQ contract with him to spend a few hours every Saturday in the restaurant signing autographs? Or hey, why can't he get a stipend from Nike?

not sure if this was meant as a joke or not but this is a borderline insane idea. why would CM5 stay in school when its his life long dream to play in the nba? he'll get paid whether he has a long or short career. honestly I think you have no idea how the ncaa works or the licensing agreements for student athlete's. there is a reason why college players cant get paid for jerseys with their names on them. for the last time CM5 is doing what is best for him.