Chris McCullough Isn't The Problem, College Athletics Is The Problem

[triplethrea]

Why is BS for "boosters" or whomever other than the schools to play players?
Because it won't benefit Syracuse?

If some rich guy wants to pay someone to attend a school to play basketball and covers the scholarship as well, why is this a bad thing?

He's a broken record about this. Don't bother debating him. He's heard all the rebuttals to his points yet he pretends like he hasn't. Filters them out like they don't exist.

 

[rrlbees]

I heard the ad revenue from the NCAA tournament was close to a billion dollars. Most student athletes will not make any money at all from all their hard work. It just doesn't seem fair. I tend to agree with this commentary: YouTube Video

And what do you think happens to that billion? Revenue does not equal profit.

 

[rrlbees]

But then it won't be fair...cause you know boosters will make it unfair... like how fair it is right now to watch U of Oregon football brought to you by Phil Knight and Nike

I'm comfortable knowing these schemes will never happen.

 

[rrlbees]

He's a broken record about this. Don't bother debating him. He's heard all the rebuttals to his points yet he pretends like he hasn't. Filters them out like they don't exist.

There is no rebuttal that isn't the same silly response that college athletes should be paid like pros. Fortunately it will never happen. If they're so good to get big money, play in a play for pay league. They're out there.

 

[Dave85]

And what do you think happens to that billion? Revenue does not equal profit.

Nobody profits from NCAA tournament? That just doesn't seem correct to me.

 

[Dave85]

There is no rebuttal that isn't the same silly response that college athletes should be paid like pros. Fortunately it will never happen. If they're so good to get big money, play in a play for pay league. They're out there.

"same silly response" is a little condenscending. I think CBB is huge money making machine. Most college players will not make a dime playing in the NBA. I would like to see more college players get something for all their hard years of hard labor. I would like to see every player who participates in the NCAA tournament get paid some percentage of the ad revenues from the games. I just don't think it's fair to the players. People should get paid for their labor when there is a profit being realized. It seems to me to be moral value. Of course you could label this argument as "silly". Sorry, but I just think people should matter. The idea of "student athlete" is just a way of labeling players to justify not paying them for their labor.

 

[rrlbees]

"same silly response" is a little condenscending. I think CBB is huge money making machine. Most college players will not make a dime playing in the NBA. I would like to see more college players get something for all their hard years of hard labor. I would like to see every player who participates in the NCAA tournament get paid some percentage of the ad revenues from the games. I just don't think it's fair to the players. People should get paid for their labor when there is a profit being realized. It seems to me to be moral value. Of course you could label this argument as "silly". Sorry, but I just think people should matter. The idea of "student athlete" is just a way of labeling players to justify not paying them for their labor.

No more so than broken record.

 

[billsin01]

They already have a minor league hoops set up. It's called Division 1 college basketball. They need to truly go all in and stop the 'amateur student athlete' charade.

The 'free education' thing is a nice deal but it's silly. At least half of these kids aren't going to college for an education - they're going to play basketball. So much money is being made off of these young men's (and women's to a much lesser extent) cheap labor, it passed the point of absurdity a long time ago. And telling them 'Don't like it? Well you can not play basketball' isn't good enough.

But doesn't this only raise more questions than it answers? I mean, for one, is there a reason kids shouldn't at least begrudgingly take advantage of the free education? And I'm not talking about becoming 4.0 students all of a sudden, but rather taking easy classes and trying get that silly piece of paper at the end of the line that makes you 9000x more employable?

And if you're going to pay players, shouldn't they be paid their market value? I mean really you are going to pay a kid like Towns the same as a kid like kalee Joseph or, even more so, a kid that plays for American or Loyola, etc? That's not more fair at all.

But if you pay market value you destroy a lot of good hoops programs, essentially.

Regardless, I'm ok with players going to the NBA out of high school but I have a hard time buying this idea that these kids get 'used'. If they chose to not give a stuff about the education, then fine, there are other avenues. And I'm not a bitter, cynical old guy (or maybe I am) but I literally just mean if it's so unfair do something different.

 

[rrlbees]

Nobody profits from NCAA tournament? That just doesn't seem correct to me.

Who said nobody profits? You always throw out that billion dollar number as if it is profit. Did you know about 96% of that revenue goes right back to the schools or is used to put on ncaa championships?

 

[orangenirvana]

But doesn't this only raise more questions than it answers? I mean, for one, is there a reason kids shouldn't at least begrudgingly take advantage of the free education? And I'm not talking about becoming 4.0 students all of a sudden, but rather taking easy classes and trying get that silly piece of paper at the end of the line that makes you 9000x more employable?

And if you're going to pay players, shouldn't they be paid their market value? I mean really you are going to pay a kid like Towns the same as a kid like kalee Joseph or, even more so, a kid that plays for American or Loyola, etc? That's not more fair at all.

But if you pay market value you destroy a lot of good hoops programs, essentially.

Regardless, I'm ok with players going to the NBA out of high school but I have a hard time buying this idea that these kids get 'used'. If they chose to not give a stuff about the education, then fine, there are other avenues. And I'm not a bitter, cynical old guy (or maybe I am) but I literally just mean if it's so unfair do something different.

Why would it "destroy a lot good hoops programs"?

 

[Jeremy L.]

Some solid discussion going on here. Loving it.

 

[CraigForth]

I think player should be able to profit from their own likeness, sell autographs etc. That money has to be reported and disclosed, most of it has to be placed in an account that remains sealed until they declare for the NBA or leave school. They should be allowed to use a small portion of that money for pocket cash, a few grand per semester. The schools and the NCAA should not pay the players, but should not g in the way of them finding creative ways to get themselves paid. This is America for god sake. Money has to be reported and disclosed to ensure the money being made cant be traced back to agents or the like. That's my opinion.

 

[billsin01]

Why would it "destroy a lot good hoops programs"?

Any program that can't afford it. Is that non P5 programs? Or programs that are already dealing with major cash-flow issues (Maryland)? I don't know but rest assured that bidding wars for players in addition to school lies would be a burden many programs couldn't (or wouldn't) pay.

 

[orangenirvana]

Any program that can't afford it. Is that non P5 programs? Or programs that are already dealing with major cash-flow issues (Maryland)? I don't know but rest assured that bidding wars for players in addition to school lies would be a burden many programs couldn't (or wouldn't) pay.

We'd be looking at a similar salary as any university employee. Those mid-major schools can afford to pay them, right? If a school is dealing with major cash-flow issues then that's their own fault and if that results in not being able to pay for a basketball program (doubtful) then so be it.

As for "bidding wars" - the top programs would continue to get the top players JUST LIKE TODAY. Kentucky and Duke have the best classes in the nation year in and year out - where is that precious 'level playing field' we're so desperate to protect today?

 

[triplethrea]

Who said nobody profits? You always throw out that billion dollar number as if it is profit. Did you know about 96% of that revenue goes right back to the schools or is used to put on ncaa championships?

It's been argued many times that most schools do questionable "Hollywood" type accounting to show losses. We argue any of them lose money. Also, a lot of the money is used to subsidize other sports. We can debate what to do about that, but we can't deny that money comes off the backs of NCAA basketball and football players. But you know all these arguments and pretend they don't exist. I know you know because we've had this debate many times.

There is no rebuttal that isn't the same silly response that college athletes should be paid like pros. Fortunately it will never happen. If they're so good to get big money, play in a play for pay league. They're out there.

You know it's going to happen. Pretending it won't will not make it go away.

And they are "so good" to get big money since the NCAA is a billion dollar entity. They make the NCAA more money than you, me, and probably everybody else on theses forums makes for their employer. And they get paid nothing.

 

[rrlbees]

It's been argued many times that most schools do questionable "Hollywood" type accounting to show losses. We argue any of them lose money. Also, a lot of the money is used to subsidize other sports. We can debate what to do about that, but we can't deny that money comes off the backs of NCAA basketball and football players. But you know all these arguments and pretend they don't exist. I know you know because we've had this debate many times. You know it's going to happen. Pretending it won't will not make it go away. And they are "so good" to get big money since the NCAA is a billion dollar entity. They make the NCAA more money than you, me, and probably everybody else on theses forums makes for their employer. And they get paid nothing.

Just because people have made these arguments before doesn't make them true. Nice try. You just want to ignore facts and make stuff up.

And going to college and playing sports is not their "job" like me going to work. If they don't want to play college sports they are free to go do something else.

 

[pulaski74]

The following comment in his article was very poorly written and lacked comprehension of what the NBA desires

" It's an NBA rule that requires players to wait until they're a "certain age before they are allowed to earn a living at their profession, even if they are ready and even if the teams involved in the league want them *.

If you're talented enough and there's interest in your services**, there is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't be allowed to offer your services. And that's the ironic part...McCullough is leaving because NBA teams are interested in him. The ones who put the rule in place are the ones who want him to leave school and join them so desperately. ***"

* That is 100% false. The league and its teams do not want a mass number of high schoolers. That's why they made the rule. They want to make it easier on teams that are drafting -- they want them to play in the NCAA so its easier to scout and possibly rule out a few kids. Make drafting easier on the lotto teams.. start second contracts a year later.. increases parity. The NBA has no interest in ever having a Brown/Curry/Chandler/Diop type draft ever again.

** See point 1, That is whole . . . . . . . reason for the rule. HOW HARD IS IT TO UNDERSTAND? NBA teams are not interested in the services of 18 year old or 19 year olds as a whole if they could.

*** Once again not true. THERE IS NO IRONY HERE. This is the league that wants the 2 and done rule. They would rather a rule be in place for Chris to stay in school. And it's also an unfounded assumption that teams are lining up for him. At the same time, if the players union does not want to succumb past a one and done rule, it is possible that teams with back end picks in the draft not dissuade for marginal entrants to come in.

Chris also demonstrates why they have the one and done rule, and why they want the 2 and done rule. It gave scouts a glimpse of him. And in some cases it was not flattering this year.

Years ago, no freshman eligibility, no nba til ur class graduated. Mcginnis vs nba, ncaa changed all that. Now you have child millionaires and the only ones to blame are the judges who ruled against the status quo. Deal with it, or do something to change it.

 

[orangenirvana]

If they don't want to play college sports they are free to go do something else.

This is the dumbest 'argument' on the planet. Trust me, I know because I was on the other side of the debate not long ago until I realized how absurd it all is. The "If they don't like it then they don't have to play" argument does nothing to address the fact that the people responsible for billion dollar TV deals are being barred from receiving a cent of it.

 

[rrlbees]

This is the dumbest 'argument' on the planet. Trust me, I know because I was on the other side of the debate not long ago until I realized how absurd it all is. The "If they don't like it then they don't have to play" argument does nothing to address the fact that the people responsible for billion dollar TV deals are being barred from receiving a cent of it.

Full cost will soon be implemented so they'll get a few thousand. And you sound like that other guy that takes income only. They also get a couple hundred thousand in education. They know all this when THEY sign their LOI. People talk like they are forced to go to college.