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Message: [QUOTE="Dino-saur, post: 3067409, member: 7343"] I’m basing my analysis off all I have: his Hudl footage of his juco time and his time here. Since he has been here he has done next to nothing in terms of on field production and I think that is fairly objective and not an evil thing to say about him... he just hasn’t won playing time to get the chance to produce. His Hudl shows a QB that is pretty athletic/mobile for his size, but the tape has a number of throws made with poor form (feet not set, wrong front foot, poor arm mechanics) and some of the highlights are actually incompletions which I’ve never seen included in a QBs “highlights”. To each his own, I’m sure you can find positives (specifically his mobility and maybe arm strength). Given that our options on the two deep are essentially to list him or a true freshmen QB who picked us over Fordham and Buffalo (not trying to disparage him he could be good but we can both agree this isn’t ideal) I feel like it’s pretty reasonable to at least have doubt at backup QB (a position that can often outweigh the importance of many other backup positions). Given that we have some of the best depth we’ve had in recent memory at RB and DB, I don’t think it’s crazy to allocate spots for objectively less deep positions which in this case are QB and DT. I’m not saying don’t take talent and I’m not saying don’t take a talented safety. I am saying I have a problem taking 3 talented safeties if down the line that means we won’t have room in this class to fill those 2 dire need positions. Maybe it won’t come to that because we have a lot of spots left as you mention. Maybe it will or maybe it will come at the expense of another position that lacks depth. All I’m saying is that is my personal opinion on the matter. I don’t think there is any evil in admitting neither Welch nor Summers picked SU over other good offers (Maryland new staff did not have a spot for Summers). Players all the time prove that they can turn themselves from a lower rated player into a stud, so yes that is a flawed way of analyzing it that has been proven wrong, but it is an understandable relative marker of talent value. A 5th year senior QB who was lightly recruited coming out of juco and has never seen the field after juco is different than a player who receives 2-4 stars or even offers from low/middle ranking power 5 schools and different from a QB who has seen some game time at SU and looked good in that game time. Is that a fair assessment to make? I really did not mean to start such a hostile debate. I wish Mr. Welch all the best and for success in whatever time he sees this year. I suspect this Orange team will win 7-15 games (let me dream of my natty!!!! Lol). With that said regardless he will be on his way out after this year leaving us with 2 scholarship QBs. QB is objectively a massive recruiting need!!! No recruiting class is perfect and I do not pretend to be a college coach much less coach Babers who has proven himself to be a master at analyzing high school talent. [/QUOTE]

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