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Message: [QUOTE="Cuse181, post: 4773105, member: 8295"] I think his population argument is of course, wrong but that doesn't mean that the 400K living in Onondaga today have the same average disposable income that the 400K had in 80s when companies like carrier were running the show. I do think that if Syracuse was never bad at football then the team would be in the same place that basketball was 2 years ago - still having big crowds despite down years in the economy. That being said, Clemson not being a top 10 team hurts, a terrible home slate hurts for casual season tickets, bad economy hurts and (because it got my wife and her family recently) Covid having a bit of resurgence is a really awful combination of events to happen right as the team is seemingly capable of competing when at full strength. [/QUOTE]