Clemson Postgame Party Thread

[sufandu]

From the replay Angeli's foot went sideways, which to me wouldn't indicate an achilles. Unless it happened the step prior. I would guess that it is an ankle injury.

That's what happened. It blew on the step prior and then it flopping sideways is the lost control as he attempted to push off on the next step before it registered what had just happened the split second before.

 

[Archbold44]

Really, this all sets up well for Syracuse.

1. At 3-1, losing your starting QB, there is a built-in understanding that it can hamper a season's success. Most teams are not built to have a backup QB that will perform at the same level as the starter over the course of a long season. So, if the wheels fall off, there is a built-in reasonable excuse for the drop off from 2024 to 2025. Recruiting will not take a hit... especially if Angeli comes back in 2026 (and potentially 2027). But if the wheels fall off, the momentum regarding Fran (and to some extent even Nixon) leaving would be stalled. An SEC team cannot hire a coach from a sub. 500 team and expect the fans to accept that. But, internally, the momentum keeps moving because the issue was that our QB2 was just not quite good enough against this gauntlet of a schedule.

2. If you told any of us that we would be 3-1 at this point of the season, we would be happy. We got the road upset we needed to give us a mulligan on the home slate. We just need to win 3 of 8 to go bowling.He only needs to win 3 of 4 home games to get us bowling. The team is playing well enough across the board that SMU is not a gimme loss anymore. Miami and ND have been very good, but mortal. Georgia Tech is its own QB injury away from being very beatable. He has picked up meaningful PT against Clemson, as well as just that garbage time against Colgate. He also has more experience going into this Duke game than he had if he was the started for Tennessee. If Ricky is even 80% of Angeli, this team can win 4 or 5 more games.

3. At 3-1, Ricky takes over a game ahead of the curve for a bowl. The team around him has proven itself to be pretty good. We understand that Willis can be a force and that Nixon is a good dump off option. We know the WRs can fight for balls in the air and that Villari is strong as a receiving TE. The OL has had its moments of very good play. But having the road win means we can lose to Duke and still win 3 home games. Because he was not the QB1, the expectations for him are tempered. If he had started against Tennessee, it would have been the other way around. On the other hand, the offensive staff has 4 games of experience with the rest of the team to know what they are... they only need to figure out what he is and how best to use him. So it is a perfect scenario. Of course, if he does well, this would put him in a position to either (a) portal elsewhere to be a starter next year; or (b) give Angeli real competition for next year. If he does very very well, then things get really interesting in a really really good way. So, no matter what happens, he is in a great situation to be put into the QB1 role.

4. The only concern I have as a team is how playcalling is impacted now that we are down a QB. With Carney at QB2, do we have to be concerned about a Collins injury? Even so... I think this team rolls the dice and will go down to QB5 if they need to for the same reasons set forth above. Every new QB comes in with less pressure and more upside development with a good core and good coaches. We have seen far worse coaches win with far worse QBs.

Whether we finish the season 3-9 or 11-1, this season has already been what we hoped in terms of keeping momentum going.

 

[OrangeFreek]

Do we really think ‘Cuse will not pony up and extend Fran? I truly hope he is a man of his word. I pray he is!!!

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Really, this all sets up well for Syracuse.

1. At 3-1, losing your starting QB, there is a built-in understanding that it can hamper a season's success. Most teams are not built to have a backup QB that will perform at the same level as the starter over the course of a long season. So, if the wheels fall off, there is a built-in reasonable excuse for the drop off from 2024 to 2025. Recruiting will not take a hit... especially if Angeli comes back in 2026 (and potentially 2027). But if the wheels fall off, the momentum regarding Fran (and to some extent even Nixon) leaving would be stalled. An SEC team cannot hire a coach from a sub. 500 team and expect the fans to accept that. But, internally, the momentum keeps moving because the issue was that our QB2 was just not quite good enough against this gauntlet of a schedule.

2. If you told any of us that we would be 3-1 at this point of the season, we would be happy. We got the road upset we needed to give us a mulligan on the home slate. We just need to win 3 of 8 to go bowling.He only needs to win 3 of 4 home games to get us bowling. The team is playing well enough across the board that SMU is not a gimme loss anymore. Miami and ND have been very good, but mortal. Georgia Tech is its own QB injury away from being very beatable. He has picked up meaningful PT against Clemson, as well as just that garbage time against Colgate. He also has more experience going into this Duke game than he had if he was the started for Tennessee. If Ricky is even 80% of Angeli, this team can win 4 or 5 more games.

3. At 3-1, Ricky takes over a game ahead of the curve for a bowl. The team around him has proven itself to be pretty good. We understand that Willis can be a force and that Nixon is a good dump off option. We know the WRs can fight for balls in the air and that Villari is strong as a receiving TE. The OL has had its moments of very good play. But having the road win means we can lose to Duke and still win 3 home games. Because he was not the QB1, the expectations for him are tempered. If he had started against Tennessee, it would have been the other way around. On the other hand, the offensive staff has 4 games of experience with the rest of the team to know what they are... they only need to figure out what he is and how best to use him. So it is a perfect scenario. Of course, if he does well, this would put him in a position to either (a) portal elsewhere to be a starter next year; or (b) give Angeli real competition for next year. If he does very very well, then things get really interesting in a really really good way. So, no matter what happens, he is in a great situation to be put into the QB1 role.

4. The only concern I have as a team is how playcalling is impacted now that we are down a QB. With Carney at QB2, do we have to be concerned about a Collins injury? Even so... I think this team rolls the dice and will go down to QB5 if they need to for the same reasons set forth above. Every new QB comes in with less pressure and more upside development with a good core and good coaches. We have seen far worse coaches win with far worse QBs.

Whether we finish the season 3-9 or 11-1, this season has already been what we hoped in terms of keeping momentum going.

Really good post. Solid points.

I really want this Duke game. We come away with that and there's a lot of breathing room.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[FloridaCuse]

The party continues:

Syracuse/Clemson game mentioned tonight on PTI.

Tony Kornheiser: "There is no doubt in my mind that the biggest news [in college football] is Clemson losing at home to Syracuse. 34-21. That's unthinkable to me. Earlier this year Syracuse gave up more points, 24, to Colgate than they just gave up AT Clemson. To me Mike [Wilbon], and to you too, this starts the clock on Dabo Swinney. I'm not saying that anybody is going to fire him. But I don't think we're going to hear another winey press conference and I think he's got to start thinking in his mind - where is the soft landing for me. Is there some other place I want to coach than here [MW: "Gainesville?]. That's unbelieveable to lose to Syracuse at home. It's unbelieveable." MW: "It is! It's shocking."

REPLAYS tonight on ESPNews at 6:30pm; 8:30pm; 10:30pm; 11:30pm; 1:30am [ESPN2]; 2:30am; 5:30am.

This is at about the 17 minute mark of the program. In the lead in to the CFB segment at about 15:40 mark MW says to TK: "I called you at half-time and you didn't think Syracuse was going to hold on and beat Clemson." TK: "I did not. Did not."

Coach Fran would make a great interview guest on PTI. They used to have JB on all the time.

 

[cusefan88]

The party continues:

Syracuse/Clemson game mentioned tonight on PTI.

Tony Kornheiser: "There is no doubt in my mind that the biggest news [in college football] is Clemson losing at home to Syracuse. 34-21. That's unthinkable to me. Earlier this year Syracuse gave up more points, 24, to Colgate than they just gave up AT Clemson. To me Mike [Wilbon], and to you too, this starts the clock on Dabo Swinney. I'm not saying that anybody is going to fire him. But I don't think we're going to hear another winey press conference and I think he's got to start thinking in his mind - where is the soft landing for me. Is there some other place I want to coach than here [MW: "Gainesville?]. That's unbelieveable to lose to Syracuse at home. It's unbelieveable." MW: "It is! It's shocking."

REPLAYS tonight on ESPNews at 6:30pm; 8:30pm; 10:30pm; 11:30pm; 1:30am [ESPN2]; 2:30am; 5:30am.

This is at about the 17 minute mark of the program. In the lead in to the CFB segment at about 15:40 mark MW says to TK: "I called you at half-time and you didn't think Syracuse was going to hold on and beat Clemson." TK: "I did not. Did not."

Coach Fran would make a great interview guest on PTI. They used to have JB on all the time.

I met Tony Kornheiser by chance in DC once. He is exactly what he appears to be on TV. He's great.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[BillSU]

Do we really think ‘Cuse will not pony up and extend Fran? I truly hope he is a man of his word. I pray he is!!!

You hope Fran is a man of his word?? Have you been living under a rock or in a cave somewhere, so you have been unable to see what this great person has already accomplished in the less than two years he's been here.
He's been nothing but his word to this school, the community, the recruits he has brought in, the promises he's made to make this team what it once was with Jim Brown, Donovan McNabb, and all the rest.
He's brought in coaches that are great advocates of being the best they can be. In no particular order, coaches like Dwight Freeny, Elijah Robinson, Jeff Nixon, Michael Johnson, Ricky Brumfield, Joe Schaefer and others.
Recruiting, you are looking at the best in the country who has been his word. Bringing in Steve Angeli, Rickie Collins, the list goes on and more 4 and 5 stars than we've ever seen.
He's told us that he's winning the national championship and is building with D.A.R.T a "franchise" to accomplish that.
Yes, of anyone I know, this man IS HIS WORD.

 

[CbusCuse]

Noice

Ooohh that edit was…

 

[FloridaCuse]

He said "I thought Syracuse competed their butts off and I thought Coach Fran [Brown] did a great job. They earned it. The deserved it. They earned it. They were the better team. They were the tougher team and executed better."

Swinney Asked About ACC Fining Syracuse for Faking Injuries

Clemson head coach Dabo Swinney held his Zoom conference call with the media on Monday evening following last Saturday’s loss to Syracuse. Swinney was asked about the ACC fining Syracuse for faking injuries in the Orange’s 34-21 victory over the Tigers at Death Valley. On Monday, the ACC...

www.theclemsoninsider.com

 

[Yeti]

He said "I thought Syracuse competed their butts off and I thought Coach Fran [Brown] did a great job. They earned it. The deserved it. They earned it. They were the better team. They were the tougher team and executed better."

Swinney Asked About ACC Fining Syracuse for Faking Injuries

Clemson head coach Dabo Swinney held his Zoom conference call with the media on Monday evening following last Saturday’s loss to Syracuse. Swinney was asked about the ACC fining Syracuse for faking injuries in the Orange’s 34-21 victory over the Tigers at Death Valley. On Monday, the ACC...

www.theclemsoninsider.com

That’s because despite a lot of the football-watching country reveling in Clemsons poor start and Dabo’s anti-portal strategy he’s repeatedly proven to be a class act and great coach.