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Message: [QUOTE="wfschrec, post: 761421, member: 361"] Look Clemson isn't a slouch when it comes to history ... they have finished a season ranked 26 times to our 15 and have 35 bowl appearances to our 24 and have names like John Heisman linked to their program ... these guys aren't exactly Rutgers either. I love Cuse and love our history and hope we build on it in the ACC but in 112 seasons of major football as classified as selected by the Helms, AP etc. SU is 644-450-41 (since 1899, no records in 1903-04) and yes I am aware they started playing in 1889 while Clemson in the last 112 seasons is 652-443-44 (since 1902). As a program SU has 700 wins and a whole lot of history behind it ... but Clemson does to. Also remember that Alabama's first Heisman winner was Mark Ingram ... would you consider them beneath us historically prior to him winning the Heisman? [/QUOTE]