Clock Mis(management)

[upperdeck]

The 3rd and 13 pass was like a 3 Yarder, no where close to 7

yeah he was going to catch it for about 4-5 before contact. Clem played it man. I dont like the way he ran the route because it allowed the safety to attack it. If he takes a step or 2 hard then goes shallow there is no help and maybe he does get yards. Or he could have ran a seem vs a cross. he had tons of space but never threatened the DB to create space under neath, He ranit like they expected zone

 

[DomeStranger]

Guys, staff knew Angeli was done for the year and wanted to get RC some good snaps in a game we had under wraps. Yes, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

 

[Surfan06001]

Shouldn’t the title be Clock (mis)management?

 

[orangemass]

He’s a uniquely terrible radio play by play guy for football. Simply stating down and distance is a foreign concept.

Agreed he is so frustrating

 

[orangemass]

Guys, staff knew Angeli was done for the year and wanted to get RC some good snaps in a game we had under wraps. Yes, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

Wraps? I’m not so sure

 

[DPCuse]

I had the same complaint at the end of the UConn game. First and goal with a timeout left and we went hurry up and scored giving UConn 48 seconds (or so) to tie the game. And they did. I saw snaps with the clock running with plenty of time left on the play clock in the fourth quarter this past week. It worked out but it’s gonna burn us at some point.

 

[Scotch]

Calling a 3 yard pass on 3rd and 13 and it going incomplete is pointless. Run the ball and take 50+ seconds off the clock or force Clemson to take another TO. Same thing on 3rd and 7 with 3 min left, you have to run the ball there

I agree, I’m not talking about specific play calls. Just calling attention to the fact that “you always run the ball” is too simplistic.

 

[orangencpolice]

I don't know the answer to your question: I had to listen to the 4th Quarter in the car with Matt Park on the call. I like his interviewing but people here are not exaggerating when they say he calls the game like a tv announcer would. I had no idea what was happening.

I watched the entire second half on my phone, via YouTube TV while my wife drove us from Charlotte to South Carolina. My wife said, “Put your AirPods in and absolutely no screaming”. I told her that I would only grunt so that I would not scare her as she drove.
Very grateful that I did not have to listen to Matt Park.

 

[orangencpolice]

Guys, staff knew Angeli was done for the year and wanted to get RC some good snaps in a game we had under wraps. Yes, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

Very risky, but it makes sense.

 

[Eric15]

Shouldn’t the title be Clock (mis)management?

That was the title from the start. ; )

 

[VA Citrus]

I think you're underestimating Clemson's defensive line against our backup QB. Rickie wasn't processing fast enough and wasn't getting enough time to rip 15 yard passes over the middle on third down like Kyle and Steve had been doing so he dumped it off. I think Fran is playing to win and not run three times right into the middle of the defense. Just couldn't execute at a high level.

Hopefully a week of practice as QB1 and with a gameplan built him will yield better control of the offense and more options at each down and distance.

 

[sabach]

Couple things. I ended up having to go to the event at 4:30 which I originally thought Id be in the clear for. Watched the game on YouTube TV on my phone. At least twice in the last seven minutes I yelled "what are we doing" in response to us snapping the ball with 15 or more seconds on the clock and then throwing. I get that high percentage passes are almost the equivalent of a run but we gave them over 2 extra minutes of time. Guys asked me what the score was and I said we were up 13 with 4 minutes to play. They looked at me like I was crazy to be nervous and yelling. Im nervous until the clock says 0:00.

Matt Park is brutal. Takes him 10 seconds after a play to let you know it's a first down. That's the first thing that a radio guy needs to say because that is the main thing a listener wants to know, especially on a third down. Also, he often does not change his voice depending on the action. "Willis up the middle, tackled by Smith. Gain of 25." What?

 

[dollarbill44]

Calling a 3 yard pass on 3rd and 13 and it going incomplete is pointless. Run the ball and take 50+ seconds off the clock or force Clemson to take another TO. Same thing on 3rd and 7 with 3 min left, you have to run the ball there

There were guys running deeper routes, they just weren't open, so he checked to the underneath route. If the pass is caught, which it absolutley should have been, the clock keeps running.
If they were able to get it to one of the deeper routes and we get the 1st down, everyone would have been saying it was a great move being aggressive to win the game.
That said, I wanted a run there as the safe play.

 

[SU94]

I think one of the early snaps was when the clock was stopped and the play clock was running down. It would have made no difference. Passing instead of running the ball drove me nuts, but two of those passes we safe passes and Willis and one of our receivers flat out dropped the ball. Both times the clock would have continued to run even after the catch.

I really dislike it when fans (like us) nitpick or MMQB head coaches because of clock management. We have no idea how fast the game moves, how much communication is happening and ongoing. It is NON-STOP for 3.5 hours. Each of us would be relegated to the fetal position by the first TV timeout if we had to manage a football team and operation at the Division 1 or NFL level.

All that said (and I am laughing at myself), the one glaring "miss" was with 8:43 left in the game, Clemson's #13 got injured. After about a minute, ESPN went to commercial. When the audience returned, the ball was snapped almost immediately. I think with 29-30 second on the play clock and with the game clock also winding. I don't think we knew the rule, that yes, the clock stopped (via injury), but since the previous play ended via a tackle in bounds, the clock would restart once the ball was placed. It was NOT a dead ball/no clock situation. This could have been a neophyte QB scenario too, but if that is the case, we should have coached him up during the stoppage.

Fran's the man and they'll learn from it and it'll come in handy in the coming years when we are ripping off 10- and 11-win seasons. And playing with the lead in the 4th quarter on a near weekly basis.

 

[dollarbill44]

I really dislike it when fans (like us) nitpick or MMQB head coaches because of clock management. We have no idea how fast the game moves, how much communication is happening and ongoing. It is NON-STOP for 3.5 hours. Each of us would be relegated to the fetal position by the first TV timeout if we had to manage a football team and operation at the Division 1 or NFL level.

All that said (and I am laughing at myself), the one glaring "miss" was with 8:43 left in the game, Clemson's #13 got injured. After about a minute, ESPN went to commercial. When the audience returned, the ball was snapped almost immediately. I think with 29-30 second on the play clock and with the game clock also winding. I don't think we knew the rule, that yes, the clock stopped (via injury), but since the previous play ended via a tackle in bounds, the clock would restart once the ball was placed. It was NOT a dead ball/no clock situation. This could have been a neophyte QB scenario too, but if that is the case, we should have coached him up during the stoppage.

Fran's the man and they'll learn from it and it'll come in handy in the coming years when we are ripping off 10- and 11-win seasons. And playing with the lead in the 4th quarter on a near weekly basis.

I was thinking the exact thing on the injury. I said it aloud, "Don't line up yet, there's still 30 seconds on the play clock."

 

[upperdeck]

Yup. New QB never been in that spot. On the other hand maybe they loved the D they ran this play against. if they hold the blocks and he makes the right cut he probably scores. on the flip side, he drops it and all 3 guys fail their blocks. Though Vallari turns his guy enough that if Willis catches and turns it inside the safety went outside, Cook just needs a slightly better block for the long play to work

 

[Nicknack]

I thought with 9-10 minutes left in the game, we bled the clock pretty well not snapping the ball too early. Maybe we could pass it more, but I don't recall early snaps. I remember staring at the clock more than the actual play at times because I wanted 0:00 so badly. From what I remember, they did that well. That said, I was drinking heavily, so there's that.

 

[Keger03]

Yes they should have run the clock down more before snapping. The pass plays would not have been issue if Angelini had still been in the game, they probably would have been successful.

Not necessarily true. Willis and Cook both were hit in the hands, in front of the chest plate and dropped the ball, both would have been first downs. I don't care who throws those balls, they need to be caught regardless. One play, JRS curled in when he was supposed to curl out and missed the throw. Only reason I can say this is Collins immediately ran up to him and rotated his hand out signaling it was a out instead of in. He only threw 8 passes. 3 completed, 2 drops, 1 wrong route. So he missed 2 passes total.

 

[MGraves5]

Not necessarily true. Willis and Cook both were hit in the hands, in front of the chest plate and dropped the ball, both would have been first downs. I don't care who throws those balls, they need to be caught regardless. One play, JRS curled in when he was supposed to curl out and missed the throw. Only reason I can say this is Collins immediately ran up to him and rotated his hand out signaling it was a out instead of in. He only threw 8 passes. 3 completed, 2 drops, 1 wrong route. So he missed 2 passes total.

Makes me more optimistic about Collins for next week. I do think he needs to put some touch on some of his throws though.

 

[Keger03]

Makes me more optimistic about Collins for next week. I do think he needs to put some touch on some of his throws though.

100%. I'm sure it will look like crap for a little while but, I said in in the Collins thread, we have to be ready for him to not look like Angelli. It took until the end of the Uconn game for him to look comfortable and that was how he was playing Saturday. Collins will need some game time too.

 

[llandz]

Well it appears the ACC thinks we "managed" the clock a little too well as far as Clemson on offense was concerned. Us boys from the North.

 

[orangencpolice]

Makes me more optimistic about Collins for next week. I do think he needs to put some touch on some of his throws though.

Collins did put the early td pass exactly where it needed to be. Very happy they did review and reverse the original td call. It was close.