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Message: [QUOTE="All4SU, post: 4088112, member: 381"] In his first six seasons at SU, The Coach went: 4 - 5 5 - 5 5 - 4 7 - 3 5 - 3 - 1 4 - 4 ( I am sure someone will be able to double check my typing to make sure I got that all correct.) Pretty much the epitome of mediocrity. SU went to exactly one bowl game in that time period - granted there were far fewer bowls back then in the black-and-white era - and lost. In the next six seasons, SU went to two Cotton Bowls and an Orange bowl, had two 8 win seasons, one perfect 11-0 season, won a National Championship, and had a Heisman trophy winner. No, I’m not saying HCDB is Ben Schwartzwalder. Or even Ben and Jerry’s. All I am saying is sometimes things don’t go the way people expect, or want, them to go, until they do. [/QUOTE]