Coach Search Options after Autry

[jncuse]

This is one for the ages. He tuned down the Indiana job but he would take the Syracuse job?

Just to be clear - some got it and some didn't when I posted. I was being 100% sarcastic. On a board where some's expectations are so over the top, I figured I needed to make the most over the top suggestion in Brad Stevens, and everybody would understand it is sarcasm. And I understand why some didn't get it because crazy bleep is said on this topic all the time.

On recent pages people have suggested/said:
- Billy Donovan
- Nate Oats, because Alabama is not a "championship level" program and somehow we are.
- They think we are still a national brand in that second tier behind the blue bloods and are dismissing decent or more realistic choices.

In the recent past some have suggested Mark Few, Jay, or other craziness.

 

[Ernie4459]

Simply Syracuse holds value they aren’t getting Nate oats or Billy Donovan but they are going to get another P4 coach. Your delusional if you think big names don’t eye Syracuse

The word delusional seems to apply to you and your post. I laid out a list of coaches going back 75 years. Not one of them was a big name. You could be right maybe they eye Syracuse but Syracuse just doesn’t look there way

 

[CU44SE]

You know why Syracuse could offer bigger money. Because the return would be the fanbase getting excited and buying season tickets and tickets to games they haven’t been going to recently. I can’t imagine the revenue lost the last 7-8 years from Syracuse basketball. It used to be an infusion and our primary revenue generators for the athletic program.

It takes money to make money.

 

[jncuse]

Looking at top 15 programs in KenPom and recent hires within past 10 years (in one case 11 years) There is no evidence that you need to take coaches from other P5 programs.

Of the 11 coaches
- 7 were from mid majors (May, Otzelberger, Hurley, Kelsey, Byington, Oats, Golden)
- Only 1 coach was stolen from a fellow P5 program (Underwood)
- 1 was an NCAA assistant coach (Lloyd)
- 1 was an NBA assistant coach (Young)
- 1 was an NCAA outcast (Sampson)

(Note at #16-#20 you do get coaches with P5 success in Pitino, Barnes, Hoiberg) - but they all had various issues at the time of hire.
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#1. Michigan - in a downturn, brought in Dusty May from Florida Atlantic who had recently made the final 4.

#2. Iowa St - in a downturn, brought in TJ Otzelberger, who had 2 poor years at UNLV -- right before that had been great at South Dakota St.

#5. Arizona - in a bit of a downtrun, brought in Tommy Lloyd assistant coach from Gonzaga.

#7. UConn - in a mess, brought in Danny Hurley from Rhode Island

#8, Houston - totally irrelevant, brought in Kelvin Sampson, NCAA pariah, who had not coached for 7 years

#9. BYU - middling, brought in Kevin Young assitant coach from the Phoenix Suns.

#10. Louisville, in a mess, brought in Pat Kelsey from College of Charleston

#11. Vanderbilt, middling, brought in Marc Byington from James Madison

#13. Florida middling, brought in Todd Golden from San Francisco

#14. Illinois middling, brought in Brad Underwood who had went 9-9 at Oklahoma St, after success at Steve Austin U.

#15. Alabama middling, brought in Nate Oats from Buffalo

Excluding the following 4 schools from the above.
#1) Duke a blue blood that can operate differently,
#2) Gonzaga, Purdue, Michigan St they have had same head coach forever.

 

[Dinkyspond]

That's who I would like but think he burned britches with the T. Thompson fiasco.

let bygones be bygones

 

[hoopsupstate]

You know why Syracuse could offer bigger money. Because the return would be the fanbase getting excited and buying season tickets and tickets to games they haven’t been going to recently. I can’t imagine the revenue lost the last 7-8 years from Syracuse basketball. It used to be an infusion and our primary revenue generators for the athletic program.

It takes money to make money.

Money talks. SU is currently bleeding money from lost revenue. We don’t even know what the new seating looks like with 25,000 fans and we may never see long range seating again. It’s so discouraging to see the place empty. Great seats are just sitting empty. The new seating separated a lot of fans who were almost family. When they couldn’t get their seats back and had to pay significantly more money, people just decided to not renew. They are never coming back. The last ten years has lost a generation of new fans. The diehard fans are now becoming disengaged. JW and the administration just think people are going to jump back in. They are not. TV is easier.

 

[Wrinkle]

Leon Rice Boise State

 

[Hawknate144]

if New Mexico keep cooking, Eric Olen

 

[Hawknate144]

Jerrod Calhoun from Utah State
Obviously Hodgeson
a couple others who I don't have off the top of my head

 

[dan7800]

Money talks. SU is currently bleeding money from lost revenue. We don’t even know what the new seating looks like with 25,000 fans and we may never see long range seating again. It’s so discouraging to see the place empty. Great seats are just sitting empty. The new seating separated a lot of fans who were almost family. When they couldn’t get their seats back and had to pay significantly more money, people just decided to not renew. They are never coming back. The last ten years has lost a generation of new fans. The diehard fans are now becoming disengaged. JW and the administration just think people are going to jump back in. They are not. TV is easier.

As a University, I don't believe that the school is in a position to spend a lot of cash. It's having a lot of other financial issues.

 

[sufan59]

- Nate Oats, because Alabama is not a "championship level" program and somehow we are.

Alabama is really good, wouldn’t they be better with Donnie Freeman and/or Sadiq White with Nate Oats coaching? He has a great setup at Bama and can certainly win a national championship as soon as this season. But I have no doubt with a leveled resources, it would be easier to win a national championship or even multiple at Syracuse. The recruiting may even be easier for him at Syracuse. Having said that, Alabama is a great setup he has.

 

[Bulldog04]

As a University, I don't believe that the school is in a position to spend a lot of cash. It's having a lot of other financial issues.

And the fact they have spent millions upon millions on real estate and housing. Big Kent play there that not many were not thrilled about. They basically own the entire university east side now (ostrom, Lysander, comstock) and they also are buying local businesses as well that no one knows about. They do not care about finding a new basketball coach and committing $10m+

 

[phil77]

Of the names mentioned I think Mack is probably the best option but I really like Skinn and we will interview Hodgson for sure so of the names listed that would be my realistic top 3.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Alabama is really good, wouldn’t they be better with Donnie Freeman and/or Sadiq White with Nate Oats coaching? He has a great setup at Bama and can certainly win a national championship as soon as this season. But I have no doubt with a leveled resources, it would be easier to win a national championship or even multiple at Syracuse. The recruiting may even be easier for him at Syracuse. Having said that, Alabama is a great setup he has.

Alabama led Arizona at half last night and got curb stomped in the second half.

 

[phil77]

Alabama led Arizona at half last night and got curb stomped in the second half.

To be fair Arizona is probably the best team in the nation they are really really good

 

[sufan59]

Alabama led Arizona at half last night and got curb stomped in the second half.

Yes they did and that’s also part of my point of why this could be realistic if you commit the similar resources. Those closest have suggested they can’t or won’t.

 

[Brian Orange]

Did anyone else notice the Lally’s/Lally Foundation on twitter commented on a random video of Bryan Hodgsdon’s coaches show? Interesting

 

[RedtheGOB]

And the fact they have spent millions upon millions on real estate and housing. Big Kent play there that not many were not thrilled about. They basically own the entire university east side now (ostrom, Lysander, comstock) and they also are buying local businesses as well that no one knows about. They do not care about finding a new basketball coach and committing $10m+

My fear as well. The university knows they can make money with real estate deals and hiking tuition.

Basketball and football are not sure things to make money or win even if we somehow got the best coaches and players ever that were working for 50 cents on the dollar. Even top coaches can be busts and players get injured that crush whole seasons ha.

You’re also still playing with an increasingly flawed NCAA landscape and the B1G and SEC that we will never catch up to.

 

[Cuse1055]

And the fact they have spent millions upon millions on real estate and housing. Big Kent play there that not many were not thrilled about. They basically own the entire university east side now (ostrom, Lysander, comstock) and they also are buying local businesses as well that no one knows about. They do not care about finding a new basketball coach and committing $10m+

Bye Kent.

 

[sufan59]

Yes they did and that’s also part of my point of why this could be realistic if you commit the similar resources. Those closest have suggested they can’t or won’t.

Dan Hurley and Nate Oats are a similar age, got to there latest destinations around the same time, and had similar success that led them to there current destinations. I don’t know, Nate Oats seems like a very competitive guy similar to Dan Hurley, it wouldn’t surprise me if it bothered him to see Dan Hurley outperform his success. I would still be stunned if he said yes, but he is the first call you make easily. Something about northeast programs when they are a well oiled machine perform to the highest of ceilings.

 

[Fly Rodder]

And the fact they have spent millions upon millions on real estate and housing

A lot of colleges and universities have taken a page from the “The Founder” McDonald’s playbook. They’re real estate holding companies with an education wing.

 

[Toga]

I wonder who the current AD at West Point likes.

 

[Cuse1055]

Lally’s being so close with Hodgson is definitely interesting. They actually are season ticket holders for USF basketball. He will definitely get an interview. Wonder if the story of the comment made after the USF/GW game was actually true.

 

[Cuse1055]

I wonder who the current AD at West Point likes.

Why?

 

[Toga]

Why?

He would seem to be an obvious choice to be the next AD at SU.