Coach Search Options after Autry

[VikesCuse84]

Chris Mack is actually and excellent coach.

He’d be a good outside the family hire, doubt his buyout is that big at Charleston either.

 

[007]

yup, he's notorious for that. an odd guy that just does his own thing. You don't count on anything when hiring his son except perhaps him showing up for free.

And using his meal card

 

[cusefan88]

Chris Mack is actually and excellent coach.

If I'm being honest I would also take Chris Holtmann over Gmac and Hop.

He made DePaul respectable which is wild.

 

[llandz]

Where did everyone go?

Only 11:15 in Arizona.

lol. And now it is morning here, I did my morning things, went for a walk, and now catching back up on 25 pages.

 

[Nicknack]

Now we just need USF to flame out tomorrow and look embarrassing. Then we can just say "we sure dodged that bullet!".

 

[Blanko97]

Interesting take

Copeeeee

 

[llandz]

Not to defend anyone because I have no stake in this game as anyone but a fan. But what if for the last year they were getting one NIL number from a candidate and all of the sudden the candidate gets hot and his name gets into the press as the next thing since sliced bread and he increases his NIL number by 50%? If the university doesn't believe it can consistently deliver the NIL each year that the candidate is going to need then why hire him? The dude will just quit with the first better offer he gets.

My hunch is we are already down this path with mr dart... except he was so grateful for the chance he probably said I'll bring the money. But now he will leave with the first better offer he gets where he doesn't have to do as much of the heavy lifting and he will take the team with him.

If they are seeing the same with Hodgson than they are better off not hiring him. I agree it shows a complete lack of ambition, but money is money. We all need to reset our expectations as fans... it seems we are going to be bubble program that makes it into the dance once every 3/4 years moving forward. Basically we will be providence but in a more challenging conference, so we won't make the dance as often.

See my exact post about 30 pages ago, lol where I pointed out how he all of a sudden became the next hot thing, and his price rose with it.

 

[RedtheGOB]

Cope

It is cope but there is no sure thing.

Will Wade was the best coach on the ACC board last year. Some of you here would’ve been begging for him last year if Autry got canned at end of year 2. Many of you would’ve been having the same melt down if he fell off our board and went to Nc state because we didn’t have the money or turned our nose up at his past.

It bought 20 wins and play in game exit this year.

Odom on the other hand flew under the radar and was on nobody’s list and then all the sudden crushed.

Again no sure things. I 100% do not see BH leaving USF to Providence so this may all be a moot point, he will continue to win in a midmajor and we may not know for years if he is the real deal P5 coach.

 

[phil77]

Updated because Chris Mack lol

1. Schertz
2. Olen
3. Calhoun
4. Hodgson
5. Martelli Jr
6. Chris Mack
7. Murray
8. Steele
9. Groce
10. Skinn (personally don't want because no real offense)

 

[Orangezoo]

I trust you. Honestly, am not into paying attention to specific posters & writing posts to shame them into group think compliance.

Apologies if you perceived this as an attack on you personally.

I'm just skimming through & using my limited mental capacity to track themes & then commenting when a post triggers a theme I noticed.

The themes are majorly negative towards GMac, as if he will be Red Redux. That is not fair. Imo.

The other themes treat Hodgson like he's a mix of Danny Ferry, John Wooden & Mark Few, and I don't think that is fair either, or supported by evidence. That said, I do acknowledge his wins are against a greater SOS, per that metric. But, also, when I look at the teams he's played against, I don't see anything of significance.

All good and no animosity on my part either. Just making it clear I love Gerry and having the connection I do I don’t want to see him put in a position to fail nor the struggles we have today persist.

 

[newmexicuse]

The issue wasnt getting Hodgson or not. The rumor is that Hodgson turned us down because he viewed our NIL budget as insufficient.

If this is true, it will not bode well for whomever the next coach is to get things turned around.

 

[phil77]

It is cope but there is no sure thing.

Will Wade was the best coach on the ACC board last year. Some of you here would’ve been begging for him last year if Autry got canned at end of year 2. Many of you would’ve been having the same melt down if he fell off our board and went to Nc state because we didn’t have the money or turned our nose up at his past.

It bought 20 wins and play in game exit this year.

Odom on the other hand flew under the radar and was on nobody’s list and then all the sudden crushed.

Again no sure things. I 100% do not see BH leaving USF to Providence so this may all be a moot point, he will continue to win in a midmajor and we may not know for years if he is the real deal P5 coach.

Odom wasn't under my radar I said from day 1 UVA made a hell of a hire with Odom

 

[Orangefizz]

Updated because Chris Mack lol

1. Schertz
2. Olen
3. Calhoun
4. Hodgson
5. Martelli Jr
6. Chris Mack
7. Murray
8. Steele
9. Groce
10. Skinn (personally don't want because no real offense)

I like Chris Mack a lot; If you’re listing outside coaching hires, what about Bryce Drew and Bobby Hurley?

 

[Kaden]

The timing is the problem you can't just have a national search now should have already been done and over with at this point. This is when you should be locking in your choice. Portal opens in 2 weeks they need to be ready to go ASAP.

If you are just now doing a national search you are way behind and will be coming in while other coaches are in the middle of negotiations which will make things 10000 time harder.

Nobody waits until the tournament is over to do a search the last couple of years these things are done before the first weekend starts but but but this is Syracuse and never forward thinking and always late to the party so it make sense that we are just now getting started.

Honestly it seems we where late in naming a new AD. If its been known that JW was leaving why not have named a new AD a month ago? That would give the new AD sufficient time to do a national search. Haynie has been the guy from the sounds of it for awhile just not named so that should not have delayed a new AD decision. It sounds like whatever direction we go will be either be basically already decided (Gmac/Hop) with little input from the new AD or rushed to find a new candidate. Will see how things sort out but seems timing could have been better if you really wanted the new AD involved in the decision.

 

[phil77]

I like Chris Mack a loy; If you’re listing outside coaching hires, what about Bryce Drew and Bobby Hurley?

They correctly are no place in my top 10

 

[Cusefan0307]

It is cope but there is no sure thing.

Will Wade was the best coach on the ACC board last year. Some of you here would’ve been begging for him last year if Autry got canned at end of year 2. Many of you would’ve been having the same melt down if he fell off our board and went to Nc state because we didn’t have the money or turned our nose up at his past.

It bought 20 wins and play in game exit this year.

Odom on the other hand flew under the radar and was on nobody’s list and then all the sudden crushed.

Again no sure things. I 100% do not see BH leaving USF to Providence so this may all be a moot point, he will continue to win in a midmajor and we may not know for years if he is the real deal P5 coach.

I never thought Wade was good. I thought Odom was good. I am pretty sold on Hodg because he’s analytically driven and makes decisions like no one else available. The Syracuse guys are not analytically driven and operate like it’s 2005.

 

[chadvader]

DOTY AS A MCW/SILENT G type pg. BRING BACK BIG BERN TO TURN MULVEY INTO ONUAKU

Doty isn’t a PG and Mulvey is in his final year. Folefac would be a guy worth monitoring though.

 

[Blanko97]

Not to defend anyone because I have no stake in this game as anyone but a fan. But what if for the last year they were getting one NIL number from a candidate and all of the sudden the candidate gets hot and his name gets into the press as the next thing since sliced bread and he increases his NIL number by 50%? If the university doesn't believe it can consistently deliver the NIL each year that the candidate is going to need then why hire him? The dude will just quit with the first better offer he gets.

My hunch is we are already down this path with mr dart... except he was so grateful for the chance he probably said I'll bring the money. But now he will leave with the first better offer he gets where he doesn't have to do as much of the heavy lifting and he will take the team with him.

If they are seeing the same with Hodgson than they are better off not hiring him. I agree it shows a complete lack of ambition, but money is money. We all need to reset our expectations as fans... it seems we are going to be bubble program that makes it into the dance once every 3/4 years moving forward. Basically we will be providence but in a more challenging conference, so we won't make the dance as often.

No one in the admin hired Fran thinking he was a lifer here. We are stepping stone in football, not the same case in basketball

 

[llandz]

Hogdson is apparently out. Basketball alums still want Hop and are apparently willing to pony up for bad coaching as part of the SU friends and family plan. Still some hope that Blair can pull something out of his rear to save us from Hop, but not with Hodgson.

Hopefully I have that all right, but it's probably changed by now anyway.

It probably changed 3 times while you wer typing this post.

 

[Newhouser]

Hodgson is going to reup with USF and then take the next good SEC job. I think we knew that and eliminated him but his agent got the word out for his spin.

I still think it is going to be someone not affiliated with the program.

 

[Cusefan0307]

This doesn't look like an improvement over our last 10 years. We actually had more NCAA wins and appearances during his tenure at UW.

2017–18	Washington	21–13	10–8	T–6th	NIT second round
2018–19	Washington	27–9	15–3	1st	NCAA Division I Round of 32
2019–20	Washington	15–17	5–13	12th
2020–21	Washington	5–21	4–16	11th
2021–22	Washington	17–15	11–9	T–5th
2022–23	Washington	16–16	8–12	T–8th
2023–24	Washington	17–15	9–11	T–6th

To be frank I think Hop MAY BE a downgrade from Red.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Doty isn’t a PG and Mulvey is in his final year. Folefac would be a guy worth monitoring though.

Dude can’t make a layup. He’d fit in well here.

 

[richmondcuse03]

I still think it’s going to be outside the family.

And if it does stay in the family, it will be Gmac as long as he wants it.

Your lips (on outside the family).

 

[phil77]

AZOrange lucky you didn't bet on Hodgson

 

[RF2044]

The issue wasnt getting Hodgson or not. The rumor is that Hodgson turned us down because he viewed our NIL budget as insufficient.

If this is true, it will not bode well for whomever the next coach is to get things turned around.

If it's true.

But it probably isn't true.