Coach Search Options after Autry

[OrangeFoo]

You can do better.

(feel free to delete) Season 3 of The Morning Show would beg to differ.

 

[Cuse12]

Dean Francis confirmed that Shaheen wants the job here.

Not impressed. I know this is maybe short sighted, but I don’t think we should consider a coach who has had a losing season anytime after their first season as HC. 7 wins last year for Seton Hall? Yikes.

 

[Cuse12]

If we lose BH to PC I might lose it.

Ya this is something I just can’t get over. I cannot for the life of me keep hearing that PC is a better job the cuse. It’s driving me insane lol.

 

[rocklloyd]

Ya this is something I just can’t get over. I cannot for the life of me keep hearing that PC is a better job the cuse. It’s driving me insane lol.

Providence is just crazy talk. Ya, we’ve been down, but we’re a sleeping giant that needs to be kicked in the side to wake up. The fan base is thirsty for success. I know the students have even lost hope, student engagement needs to come back ASAP with the new coach.

 

[richmondcuse03]

From my understanding, PC is working up an NIL collective to be in the 10-12 million range. Cuse from what I know plans on sitting in the middle of the ACC again which would put them at around the 8-10 range. That alone is enough, but I also heard that they want a personality that can stand up to the likes of Hurley and Pitino, someone who’s willing to combat them. BH is just that type of person. They are placing a ton of faith in him and it certainly seems like Syracuse isn’t serious about him, or at least not as serious as they are about Gerry. He’s picked up a lot of steam for the win against Joe Gallo and Merrimack.

They don’t need a collective. They can use as much of the revenue sharing money as they want since they don’t have football. If they’re serious they would do that. Folks have to stop confusing nil and rev share and total budgets.

 

[Cuse12]

Providence is just crazy talk. Ya, we’ve been down, but we’re a sleeping giant that needs to be kicked in the side to wake up. The fan base is thirsty for success. I know the students have even lost hope, student engagement needs to come back ASAP with the new coach.

You are completely correct. essentially what I’m hearing from media is “throw everything out the door, it doesn’t matter if you started a university yesterday, NIL funds is how we rank jobs and that’s it.” If I started a university yesterday and scrounged up 18M from my group of wealthy friends, then the 1 day old university is a better job then Syracuse I guess. Idk maybe I’m talking crazy, but it’s just wearing on me this current landscape. I still feel there’s pride and legacy still associated with the prestige of a job not just ONE metric. Ugh!

 

[Cusefan0307]

All this discussion about Gerry McNamara and Shaheen Holloway should instead be focused on Phil Martelli Jr as a backup candidate. Proven winner at two places and on the way to taking his second school to the NCAA tournament. Also is a great offensive coach. His teams have averaged 79, 82, and 82.

 

[Cuse12]

Also since 1949 cuse’s record against providence is flipping 48-10. A freaking .827 win percentage. Give me a break!! Screw this PC is a better job BS. Now I’m fired up lol

 

[Scotch]

Guys a few of our most plugged in insiders have indicated they would be shocked if it's not Hodgson. Spinning out about Vegas odds and fighting over new hypothetical names seems like a weird use of energy (I'm also triggered so I'm talking myself down).

 

[cuseguy]

Providence lives deep in the shadow of UConn. They always will. Think of PC as Wake Forest and UConn as Duke.

 

[illi3]

Guys a few of our most plugged in insiders have indicated they would be shocked if it's not Hodgson. Spinning out about Vegas odds and fighting over new hypothetical names seems like a weird use of energy (I'm also triggered so I'm talking myself down).

I've been repeating this this to myself since yesterday for the exact same reason

 

[orange79]

Sports anchor in Rochester.

Rumblings = I read it on the Syracusefan.com board.

 

[orange79]

Shaheen as coach would be as bad a hire almost as Lyke. Our new AD cannot be that stupid. I still believe it's BH per insiders. Lally's are already providing him Nil. No chance that the vision of a program changer is Shaheen.

Shaheen Holloway as our coach means we couldn't get our top 3 or 4 choices to come here.


Which would be a bigger problem than Shaheen Holloway as our coach.

 

[OptimusOtto]

It’s a tough job, but he’s coached 8 years when you add in St. Peter’s and averaged over 70ppg once. Another play hard zero
idea what to do on offense coach.

Yes was going to say he’s similar to Skinn in that regard. Hard to know how much of that is a talent issue. Hodgson is still the guy.

Sha would be a lot safer than some of the other options but feels like someone you’d bring in and then move on from to get over the top.

 

[powdersmack]

Guys a few of our most plugged in insiders have indicated they would be shocked if it's not Hodgson. Spinning out about Vegas odds and fighting over new hypothetical names seems like a weird use of energy (I'm also triggered so I'm talking myself down).

I keep going back to that too, but then how the AD search wound up, who knows...

 

[Sherman20]

Choosing Gmac over Hodgson—or losing out on Hodgson because of Providence and not raising the required NIL—would be an epic fail on our part. Hodgson’s potent, high-powered offense, which is going to get better at a P5 like Syracuse with improved talent, would run circles around Gmac’s defense and Gmac’s teams. It’s all driven by analytics and modeled after the NBA. Let’s be real here. For Gmac fans, what is his vision? Seems like a lot of the same stuff as Red—play tough, play hard, “he’s been a winner all his life.” I’m not saying he’s not a good coach. But I think Hodgson’s upside right now is much higher.

 

[Sherman20]

Hall is a tough job. My wife is an alum and we’ve had season tickets. They were not prepared for NIL and got decimated after their NIT championship. I’ve said it before far from a perfect hire but his teams play hard - this years team was picked to finish last in the Big East and have overachieved.

Holloway is a good coach, no doubt. But I want a guy who can win a national title as a coach. I think Hodgson is that.

 

[HakAttack]

The fact that there have been 338 pages of this thread in a little over 15 months should tell you that Syracuse fans are STARVING for a winning basketball program.

This is arguably the most important men’s basketball hire of this generation. It’s the hire AFTER the guy that fails replacing the legend that’s the critical one.

And that’s exactly why you don’t give it to Hopkins or McNamara. Get a guy (or gal - Dawn Staley) in here that can bring this program back from the dead.

 

[Cusefan95]

Sounds like a micro specific moment in time

PC has a real fan base. It’s not Syracuse I wouldn’t suggest that. But it’s a real team and been one of the great stepping stone jobs

Considering I’m hammering the pro-McNamara crowd for basing their case on one data point, it’s fair to note I’m basically doing the same thing here. I looked up Providence attendance to compared to Seton Hall. I expected they would be similar. They are not. Providence draws around 11,000, Seton Hall 7,500. It’s probably a better fan base than I would have guessed.

 

[phil77]

Holloway is a good coach, no doubt. But I want a guy who can win a national title as a coach. I think Hodgson is that.

Where did this Holloway stuff come from? Anytime you can get a coach barely over 500 in his coaching career after 8 seasons you have to do it?

 

[Sbucketball]

Hodgson has been all but openly campaigning for the SU job for at least a year with a very influential donor backing him and he’s going turn all of that down for … Providence? Color me skeptical.

That said, nothing is going to surprise me. Disappoint me, sure, but I still don’t trust SU to make the right choices. Yet.

I don't think Hodgson would choose Providence over SU, and not that I believe Hodgson is going to Providence (because I believe he's coming to SU), if that were the case I would assume that means SU chose gmac over Hodgson so Hodgson is going to his second choice. But Hodgson is the best realistic option and he's backed by the All Mighty King of SU, Lally, so I feel like it's him.

 

[Orangezoo]

Considering I’m hammering the pro-McNamara crowd for basing their case on one data point, it’s fair to note I’m basically doing the same thing here. I looked up Providence attendance to compared to Seton Hall. I expected they would be similar. They are not. Providence draws around 11,000, Seton Hall 7,500. It’s probably a better fan base than I would have guessed.

Yeah you get some or at least a good chunk from Mass. with the PC program which makes sense given the state of hoops programs in Mass these days.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Considering I’m hammering the pro-McNamara crowd for basing their case on one data point, it’s fair to note I’m basically doing the same thing here. I looked up Providence attendance to compared to Seton Hall. I expected they would be similar. They are not. Providence draws around 11,000, Seton Hall 7,500. It’s probably a better fan base than I would have guessed.

We used to get a lot of fans in both arenas. That said we really took over north jersey. I went to the last game there when JB still had the program humming and it was like going to BC from a Syracuse fan standpoint. We had 60 percent of the fans and we hammered them.

 

[Widget24]

Look on the bright side. We likely have at least another week and a half of this torture!

 

[Lukeyloo]

Hodgson has been all but openly campaigning for the SU job for at least a year with a very influential donor backing him and he’s going turn all of that down for … Providence? Color me skeptical.

That said, nothing is going to surprise me. Disappoint me, sure, but I still don’t trust SU to make the right choices. Yet.

Exactly. I interpret the recent Hodg-PC chatter as negotiation tactics to put pressure on SU to up their funding to a level that Hodg is satisfied with. I don't see why he wouldn't still be pushing for the SU job since that seems to have been his goal all along.