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Coach Search Options after Autry

Two serious questions on GMac:
1. Earlier this year it was mentioned that he would have specific demands and would not be a guarantee to even want the job. Was that posturing or did something change ?
2. What’s his relationship like with Red? I know money talks but curious if they are close enough that he’d have any reservations about being his replacement the way he left.
 
If Olen is seriously considering a move from the west coast, he is one of the best coaches on the market. Top 3 easily. You’ve either never watched one of his teams or are blinded by orange glasses
I’m sure he’s a great coach, as I stated previously. Doesn’t mean he’s the right coach for Syracuse. Hiring a guy from Alabama that spent his career 3000 miles from Syracuse will be a tough sell to the fanbase and boosters.
 
When Orange United folded I emailed the athletic department for where I should start redirecting my monthly contribution and got no response.

Same. I ended up throwing the money to SU's study abroad program instead. Which I kinda regret given what I know now about the state of the athletic program's finances. But still. They don't make it easy.
 
Yup I haven't read all the pages. I just jumped in tonight.
You’re smarter than making blanket hyperbolic statements. There’s been plenty of criticism about GMac’s success coming in the MAAC.

Honestly, I’d be fine with Olen. I just don’t see it happening for a variety of reasons. But I’ve seen stranger things happen so who knows.
 
You’re smarter than making blanket hyperbolic statements. There’s been plenty of criticism about GMac’s success coming in the MAAC.

Honestly, I’d be fine with Olen. I just don’t see it happening for a variety of reasons. But I’ve seen stranger things happen so who knows.

It wont happen I agree with that but not because there are better, more qualified choices.
 
It wont happen I agree with that but not because there are better, more qualified choices.
My comments were specific to his fit as Syracuse head coach, not his coaching ability. Fit does matter to a certain degree.
 
I have to look into what happened with him because most of his career his teams really struggled with offense and now the last two years, his offense has been great. I think the two brothers got some help with the offensive side of the ball because their offense sort of took off recently.
Groce is maybe the guy we need to pay more attention to. He has won the MAC tournament 3x in a row, and 4 of last 5. Likely to be on Blair's list. Also has 6 NCAAT bids and a Sweet 16 on his resume.
 
Rn I’m sipping some corona light no lime sitting in my undies in on the couch waiting for DoorDash on insomina cookies while constantly refreshing this thread to see news that it’s gonna be Phil Jackson taking over
Wow
 
It's time for our university to think outside the box on NIL and how to funnel money to players. A few years ago I made a post on the football forum here about how we should offer an NIL major. I still like that idea, but we need to take it farther.

We need to figure out how to tap the endowment and route general university funds to NIL. It's hard, it probably is not impossible. We're at the point where our financial situation seems dire enough that we should be pushing into gray areas aggressively. Desperate times call for desperate actions.

The Endowment

I'm pretty sure you can use endowment funds on campus infrastructure, research, and academic programs. So, it could be used to renovate/build a dorm that would be like an incubator for the NIL major. The dorm rooms would be baller, there would be studios for podcast recording, classrooms so that athletes living there never had to leave the building to go to class, etc. You'd probably have to make sure some non-athletes ended up there in order to make it kosher, but it seems like an avenue that should be explored by lawyers.

Basically, you can offer a lot of fringe benefits through that idea.

You can also put the endowment into research and academic programs. So, if we have an NIL program and the NIL program is researching the field of NIL, they're going to need some money to do that right? And they're going to need to use that money on NIL. It's blatantly obvious what would be going on, but at the same time it's blatantly a field that deserves study! A couple billion dollars a year flows into NIL.

General Funds

It's reasonable for a university to advertise itself via commercials, right? They all do it! So thus, it's reasonable for a university to hire a firm to do the marketing. Duh! Syracuse University can't pay its players to appear in its advertisements. That'd be wrong! But, Syracuse University can hire an ad agency for $10M a year, which spends $9M a year on athlete endorsements in the ads promoting Syracuse University.

Expanding my Major Idea

I think that maybe the major should be Sports Monetization. Basically, you sit down with Fran and see what he thinks should be included and go from there. It's everything you'd want to teach an athlete to maximize their lifetime earnings adjacent to playing sports, regardless of whether they make it pro.

Broadcasting/podcasting, NIL, coaching, social media (incl monetization), marketing, agents, merchandising, business, investing.

Make it a differential major, so it costs more, then funnel some of that money back into an investment fund as part of the investing portion - and set that up to go to players somehow. That's very aggressively a gray area, but like I said up top, we need to go for it.

Also this major needs to be structured so athletes can get what they want out of it in 1-2 years, for obvious reasons.

Recruiting Upside

Imagine what Fran, or our next hoops coach, could do with this. It's hard to put a $ value on it, but I'm pretty confident Fran could sell someone on taking 80-90% as much NIL money here but getting this education without leaving their dorm building to close the gap. Especially if they can front load the parts they find most valuable.

Become the School Advocating for Directly Paying Players

We should have Fran, our next hoops coach, Blair, and famous alums beating the drum and making the rounds on media pushing to be able to pay players directly. It's inevitable, and the more we can associate the Syracuse brand with it, the better for our future. They should do this so much that it becomes a running joke among fans of other programs. Let them dunk on us, because future recruits will be hearing that Cuse is the place to go to get paid.
 
When Orange United folded I emailed the athletic department for where I should start redirecting my monthly contribution and got no response.
I sent an email to caf (that's the Cuse Athletic Fund) with questions about donations, points earned and tax implications and they never responded. My donor rep for the University as a whole had to get me the answers when I told her Cuse Athletic Fund never responded. Clown show and we get everything we deserve because of either apathy or incompetence. We are our own worst enemy. I have confidence Blair will be better than Wildhack. Blair actually has actual and substantial AD and fundraising experience. Wildhack was in TV with ESPN which gave him zero AD experience. He had to learn on the job and it showed by the lackluster performance of our two revenue sports. I never thought much of Wildhack. It had to take The Athletic to expose the abuse under Hillsman while the whole thing happened right under his nose.
 
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You’re always a breath of fresh air, even when the masses are gathering their pitchforks. You’re a treasure, and we are all blessed to have you as part of our demented family.
 
Same. I ended up throwing the money to SU's study abroad program instead. Which I kinda regret given what I know now about the state of the athletic program's finances. But still. They don't make it easy.
JHC do I need to get quit my job and just figure this out full time?
 
Groce is maybe the guy we need to pay more attention to. He has won the MAC tournament 3x in a row, and 4 of last 5. Likely to be on Blair's list. Also has 6 NCAAT bids and a Sweet 16 on his resume.

I think Groce is solid choice. I think Martelli might have a little more upside but I think Groce is solid.
 
Groce is a very good MAC coach, but he won only 40% of his games in the Big Ten when he coached at Illinois

Correct so what did he learn? His teams in the Big Ten were not offensive focused now it seems things have changed. Seems something has clicked or changed.
 
Groce is maybe the guy we need to pay more attention to. He has won the MAC tournament 3x in a row, and 4 of last 5. Likely to be on Blair's list. Also has 6 NCAAT bids and a Sweet 16 on his resume.
Operator won't you help me make that call?
 
He got a late start to the portal this year and still had a decent season. Hes a hell of a coach. Give him next year and then make a judgement.
Did he really though? He was hired before the portal opened.
 
Correct so what did he learn? His teams in the Big Ten were not offensive focused now it seems things have changed. Seems something has clicked or changed.
Looking into it, it looks like the past 2 years is where the offense got good. If we really wanted to take a gamble on a boom or bust, Flynn Clayman. He's only been Head Coach for 1 year, but they were dominant-Had the highest point differential in Division 1.
 
Looking into it, it looks like the past 2 years is where the offense got good

I mentioned that above both brothers changed and leaned heavily into offense the last two years. Why? No clue I would ask in the interview. Its almost like they got some coaching together from someone.
 

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