Coach Search Options after Autry

[Orangezoo]

Sorry I didn’t mean how do they fundraise. That part is easy for them. It was administering the crap on the clearinghouse side etc. sounded so cloak and dagger I was wondering if they found a bypass

You spend the money on getting the legal minds you need, like the attorney with relevant experience AW got and you build your business model around it. Some of the most successful non profits I’ve worked with that have stayed in business to support their missions mostly rally around having legal experts and attorneys at their core to find every loophole possible to raise money and expand services.

 

[007]

I dont know how anyone at our university can sit there and tell us with a straight face and tell us the best possible candidate is gmac. He's clearly not even close.

Unless you know every single factor that is going to factor into this decision, including financial and NIL funding (none of us do), statements like this are...misguided.

 

[Toga]

“Those People Are Stupid” — Boeheim Blasts Syracuse Fans Wanting Outside Hire

The divide in Syracuse Orange men’s basketball fandom just got louder — and a lot more direct. Because Jim Boeheim didn’t just weigh in on the coaching search debate… He went straight at the skeptics. Appearing on Chris Russo’s SiriusXM show, Boeheim was asked about a growing sentiment among...

orangefizz.net

Let's do it today during the tournament. Rule number one - no aholes.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Culture, attitude, leadership, structural issues, private school challenges, etc. long list with lots of contributing factors.

You can’t operate the same way as before and expect different results. This isn’t a fundraising challenge. Expecting to merely fundraise our way out of this was always the wrong approach. There’s a small universe of folks at any school who are willing to fund NIL. Bigger alumni bases obviously help but that’s not a Syracuse challenge.

We had to accept that the revenue share hit was a fundamental change to how our university needed to operate and fund sports and not expect to fundraise for all of it. Obviously you try but you can’t count on it.

NIL is more of a marketing and sales operation now vs a fundraising apparatus. Different mindset and approach. Should be selling a ROI to businesses vs a gift.

You need businesses who are willing to do deals with players. Everything goes through a clearinghouse. This is the first year where basketball will really have to deal with that. Everything last year was front loaded ahead of the deadline.

It’s incredibly frustrating to hear we are still trying to get a few whales to fund it all. That’s great and all and good luck trying but that says to me they’re also funding the revenue share piece too.

In a community and region where Syracuse is the main sports draw, I just don’t believe we lack from enough businesses willing to be involved. Perhaps I’m wrong but I’ve heard plenty of anecdotes from folks who have never been approached or even asked to do a deal that leads me to believe that’s not the case.

We should have been forcing partners on the pure marketing side to expand those agreements to fund NIL deals too. It’s the only way forward.

I like what JW did and he had a lot of to fix. But an area where he hasn’t done well is NiL. He has not approached this in a new way at all. I’ll take any new leadership on this but they need to get the overall leadership of the university to think differently and restructure how groups work together to actually see results.

SU is a massive business. Period. It should start operating like one cohesive business. I’m sick of hearing that it’s on the fans. The fans have supported the basketball program for decades. Ticket prices aren’t cheap. They’ve come out year after year. It’s only during a prolonged downturn that they’ve stopped and that’s because leadership failed us.

Seems like Little League teams put more thought and structure into their NIL strategy than SU. Is “Chico’s Bail Bonds” available to do a deal next year?

 

[orangepassion]

Just heard we are getting a nice little NIL boost for basketball. All I can share at this time.

If you happen to run into Bryan Hodgson, let him know

 

[Newhouser]

Dude seriously... The level of doom and gloom and falling sky is incredible. You think an assistant is going to be offered a higher profile job than SU? The only comparable scenario I can recall is Arizona. Tell me the last time an assistant got a historically relevant program head gig? I think he would jump at the chat.

Unless he knows Hurley was closer to taking the Lakers job than we know, and he is thinking in a year or two he can move to the big chair at UCONN.

 

[Hawknate144]

Just heard we are getting a nice little NIL boost for basketball. All I can share at this time.

I hope so, that would be very needed

 

[Newhouser]

Doty appears to be the better player due to the level of competition he sees at Siena. Let’s not get carried away now.

Competition level definitely factors in - not so much on the skill set and effort but I don't think he's coming here to be an Alpha. I want kids that play with urgency and don't seem adverse to sweating while playing.

 

[Briancuse]

Unless he knows Hurley was closer to taking the Lakers job than we know, and he is thinking in a year or two he can move to the big chair at UCONN.

If Hurley didn't take the Lakers job where is he going?

 

[PauliePeppas]

NIL “discovered” after Hodgson is out of the picture. Cool

 

[Whitey23]

Jimmy B front row.

 

[PauliePeppas]

If Hurley didn't take the Lakers job where is he going?

Prison or psych ward

 

[rocklloyd]

The best thing I've seen on this board! In addition to a professional staff tasked with facilitating and getting these deals done that are seasoned business people. Just like how Syracuse University prides itself on the real world experience it provides those training to be sports broadcasters and journalist. This seems like what should be a venture sports management and other students tasked with supporting the NIL office by reaching out to businesses and putting together business cases and plans of why it's beneficial to these business to invest in these athletes. I think they've tried before, but as you said, the approach is likely not resonating with the businesses, as well as the students not having the skills yet to actually get these deals processed and set up correctly. The students role is inquiring about new business and setting up the relationships and in the process learning about how these deals get set up and done. It should be something the Falk School should be looking for in prospective students that they can see have the aptitude to help in this venture. It's too important and where schools gain either a competitive advantage or disadvantage in this new game.

I think they need to figure out a way to expand our donor base. While I agree, the big money is with the large whales. Like someone said above, there are a few of them at every school, The challenge is to get every single alum involved someone how. Many think you have to be rich to be a donor, some are leery, some just don’t feel like talking to anyone about it and some don’t think they can afford to donate.

How about we play “small ball”? Come up with a way to get every alum engaged by making it easy. A regular ask for $5 as a starting point. You can touch everyone and get them hooked so to speak. But make it super easy to pay. Use the tools on my phone, Apple Pay, google pay, whatever. Figure out how to get to the donor easily and extract their money in an easy, familiar way. Once hooked, figure out a way to get alum to increase current value. Maybe it’s a $5 to $7 level? Nothing shocking, but percentage-wise huge. They can figure out a way to automatic and make it burdensome by forcing me todoing something each month. Make it like Netflix or Disney plus.

And then I think we get smart about our messaging. Somehow acknowledge ticket holders who are supporting program with different sort of messaging. Alums on west coast are different than local alums. Customize the message to the alums/location to pull on purse string harder.

There are ways to increase.

 

[Newhouser]

Doty needs to be our 3rd option if we want to be good next year

more like 4th or maybe 5th - I don't think he will score IF he moves up, but the intangible stuff matters and is a big part of what we have been missing in my opinion.

 

[Willy75]

I don’t think NIL has ever come up at the BoT. From what I understand trustees know very little about how this all works unless they’re personally involved and I don’t think any are. That's part of the problem. This should have been a university focus in terms of finding businesses (or high net worth individuals with businesses) to fund a collective. We haven’t dedicated resources or attention to it. It was all “we have a small fundraising team and in addition to raising money for the general AD funds, we now need them to do it for NiL too.” And those same people are usually fighting with the regular fundraisers at SU for the same donor pool.

And that’s before you consider now that every deal that goes in the clearinghouse needs a business tied to it and it has to be commercially viable. So a company has to be giving money contractually to the collective and receiving a benefit from the endorsements / marketing deals with the players in the collective.

I have many ideas and ways this could be fixed. But alas I’m sure my ideas go in a “comment box” tied to a trash can.

A new young AD who can get buy in from multiple departments and change internal infrastructure is the only way we fix some of this stuff. And the Chancellor and BoT need to make sure he has the power to fix what’s broken.

Well BOT isn’t prioritizing academic standing either so what exactly are they doing.

 

[DoctahLexus]

People excited about GMac as coach are prisoners excited about an upgrade to gold chains. We are being screwed over by the people in power here and there is no other way to describe it. Our most crucial hire in program history is going to come out of the MAAC with two years of experience, after being on the bench as an assistant for our entire decline. This is nothing but hell and anyone saying otherwise is in total denial. Oh but wait he might be bringing a decent MAAC player with him! That changes everything! Please.

 

[Blanko97]

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Who doesn’t want “Jerry” as our coach!

 

[Newhouser]

If Hurley didn't take the Lakers job where is he going?

East Coast job. A job that didn't have the added pressure of LeBron, Luka and crazy expectations. There will be other opportunities if he is interested.

 

[OrangeFoo]

NIL “discovered” after Hodgson is out of the picture. Cool

Maybe the picture is all the friends we made along the way... OttoinGrotto too soon?

 

[Fly Rodder]

I don’t see why everyone is so concerned about keeping it in the family. I mean, inbreeding has always worked well, hasn’t it?

There's been exactly four coaches in the last 25 years who have taken their alma mater to a Final 4.

 

[Biaxtar]

“Those People Are Stupid” — Boeheim Blasts Syracuse Fans Wanting Outside Hire

The divide in Syracuse Orange men’s basketball fandom just got louder — and a lot more direct. Because Jim Boeheim didn’t just weigh in on the coaching search debate… He went straight at the skeptics. Appearing on Chris Russo’s SiriusXM show, Boeheim was asked about a growing sentiment among...

orangefizz.net

Seems to me like a last-ditch effort to keep control. Seems like a guy who is losing it...

 

[Lukeyloo]

I might be talking crazy, but hear me out. What's stopping local government from funding NIL? Whose to say that Onondaga county couldn't pay SUMBB 1-2 million to use them in Visit Syracuse advertising and having players show up to events.

At first glance this seems like a waste of taxpayer money, but what's the loss of tax revenue to the county when SU isn't drawing people in to see games? There's fewer people getting hotel rooms, eating out, going to the mall, buying merch, etc. . Can the cost of the NIL contributions be justified by the value SU athletics brings the county in those revenue-generating areas?

 

[Willy75]

The BOT has sat back and watched the program die and the university rankings plummet. They're useless.

1000x

 

[OrangeFoo]

East Coast job. A job that didn't have the added pressure of LeBron, Luka and crazy expectations. There will be other opportunities if he is interested.

there is a basketball team in MSG that will most likely need a coach in 18 months or so.

 

[Cappy3]

SU is looking to hire the best coach, full stop. Now certainly NIL comes into play (will a coach bring more with them/more support etc) but isn't the end all be all, if it was Mike Hopkins would have been hired already. If they feel Moore is a better if then Gmac they will go that route, Brian Blair and JW want to win first and foremost.

I hope you’re right. But the whole Hodgson affair, and the fact that they’re even seriously considering Hop and GMac, doesn’t fill me with confidence.