Coach Search Options after Autry

[walsh2012]

You guys know that Gmac and Melo were not friendly for a very very long time right ? I don’t think he’s hoping Gmac gets the job

That tweet we saw couldn’t be referring to anyone else, unless it’s a bait and switch.

Personally I’m happy with either Gerry or JS, i think both will be able to do great work here, but I was less enthusiastic about Gerry until the last couple of weeks

 

[OrangeFoo]

So why’s everyone saying he wants Gmac to get the job

Because people are looking at an every letter of every message on every channel trying to make an interpretation. Some samurai dude said on twitter the most favorite guy in Syracuse is trying to make GMAC happen. People interpret that as melo… but that could also be jb or even Fran for all I know.

 

[OrangeFoo]

So are we on a Gerry lean now and not a Schertz lean?

I personally think the longer this goes it’s not GMAC. If I am GMAC and I didn’t get a call on Friday I know I’m not top choice. Why would I take the job then?

I also don’t think it’s Schertz… it’s wishful thinking along the lines of Dan Mullen without the rental car and airplane watch.

My prediction it’s someone no one has mentioned. If it were skinn they would have closed it or they are interviewing candidates still.

Most likely is some p4 flame out like Hurley, the ex Louisville guy or the ex Illinois guy. I really hope it’s GMAC over those uninspiring profiles.

If there isn’t a GMAC to cuse tweet by Thamel today I think it doesn’t happen

 

[nyucuse]

I personally think the longer this goes it’s not GMAC. If I am GMAC and I didn’t get a call on Friday I know I’m not top choice. Why would I take the job then?

I also don’t think it’s Schertz… it’s wishful thinking along the lines of Dan Mullen without the rental car and airplane watch.

My prediction it’s someone no one has mentioned. If it were skinn they would have closed it or they are interviewing candidates still.

Most likely is some p4 flame out like Hurley, the ex Louisville guy or the ex Illinois guy. I really hope it’s GMAC over those uninspiring profiles.

If there isn’t a GMAC to cuse tweet by Thamel today I think it doesn’t happen

I wouldn't be so definitive. I also think Schertz is unlikely. Certain posters have proven to be quite reliable and I trust their intel on this.

That said I think JW, BB and team are looking to make a splash hire, with GMac as the broadly acceptable backup.

The Thamel article was well timed and not accidental. He is no shill like Goodman. He has a reputation and will not be a mouthpiece for the administration. So I do in fact believe they have better resources than the Sisters of the poor narrative and that they are trying to go outside.

What is not clear to me is will a desirable P5 name be a viable candidate. TJ or Byington would be moonshot wins and both could have reasons to have interest. But I would guess both are still somewhat longshots. If not, it may be that GMac gets the nod over someone like a Martelli (who I think could be a great candidate and coach). A Luke Murray type remains a wildcard. And Thamel did mention northeast assistants being in the mix. Just think they might be a harder sell for the fanbase.

Personally I hope this drags on a bit, assuming no Schertz. Tells me they are doing everything possible to secure the best candidate. And I look forward to the 2,000 page never-to-be-eclipsed board record that comes along with it.

 

[kingtidge]

That tweet we saw couldn’t be referring to anyone else, unless it’s a bait and switch.

Samurai meant Jim from Lyons, and implied that's who has control of this ...unless Melo is now "the old man"??

The other implication being Blair/Haynie not winning out with a different candidate.



Also interesting the Mrs. came out and tried to soften everyone up for this in the last 24 as well. She usually doesn't come out of nowhere with random public comments, especially on a contentious issue like this methinks. Just speculation trying to read the tea leaves. I may very well be wrong.

 

[pokercuse08]

GMac has done plenty on his own to be a worthy candidate for this.

So if we hired Takayo Siddle, would you say he was a good hire?

 

[pokercuse08]

Samurai meant Jim from Lyons, and implied that's who has control of this (and not Blair/Haynie)... unless Melo is now "the old man"



That may may be the case, since the Mrs. came out and tried to soften everyone up for this in the last 24 as well. She usually doesn't come out of nowhere with random public comments, especially on a contentious issue like this methinks. Just speculation trying to read the tea leaves. I may very well be wrong.

He didn't say Jim from Lyons has control, he said he's made it his mission. Seems to me like it's JW, BB, and JAB "leading the search."

The problem is, only one of those three would try to run off other candidates to leave only his guy standing... And his guy is GMac.

There was a rumor Hodgson became uncomfortable with the position when he found out JAB only wanted Gerry. The implication is he'd be undermined from the jump. Same thing may be happening to Schertz. Nobody is going to want to come here with JAB undermining them, so it he's willing to do that he gets to pick the coach and everyone else gets to kick rocks.

It puts BB in a very awkward spot. If he loses a power struggle here, everyone in the University will know it and it could be a problem for him on future major decisions. On the other hand, he certainly doesn't need JAB going on the radio and calling him an idiot, and that's likely to happen if BB gets his way.

I'll say this: if it's Gerry I hope he is incredible and we win natties and he coaches here til he's 70, and if he fails I'll still love him for his playing days and for his effort in trying... but it it ends up being true JAB is undermining candidates, I will forever resent JAB no matter how it turns out.

He seems to think that just because he built it, he owns it forever. That's not how it works. The players own it, the alums own it, the fans own it. If he personally wants to pony up a couple mil that's only for Gerry, have at it, but otherwise he shouldn't be trying to influence this beyond a spirited recommendation.

 

[Cusefan0307]

 

[OrangeFoo]

That makes no sense tho. Melo is the old man here?

 

[Cusefan0307]

That makes no sense tho. Melo is the old man here?

Samurai says 3 people are leading the coaching search and only 1 is the AD….Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out who the other 2 are.

 

[OrangeFoo]

Samurai says 3 people are leading the coaching search and only 1 is the AD….Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out who the other 2 are.

Yep and old man wants gmac and no clue who melo wants if Hopkins is out. Does he have a connection to Skinn because of MVC?


Who is adbb’s guy?

 

[Cusefan0307]

Yep and old man wants gmac and no clue who melo wants if Hopkins is out. Does he have a connection to Skinn because of MVC?


Who is adbb’s guy?

Sounds like Melo wants Gmac. If Skinns hired I’ll burn this place down. Another ISO ball connoisseur. His teams can’t score.

 

[VikesCuse84]

I just wish they’d let Blair go through the process and pick whoever he feels is best and if it’s Gmac so be it. We had a very good search committee group determine Blair was the best hire for AD. Now let him do his job.

 

[2B20Again]

Well who are the candidates? No one 'actually' knows who the short list is and who's really reached out with interest.

Gerry is low hanging fruit.

And he might be the next John Wooden. Idk but I'm ready for a clean break from the JB era, someone with outside views and ideas. Neither option is a guarantee. I can live it. Would also prefer an experienced head coach and proven winner. Not interested in assistants.

Don’t want Gerry because part of family. Want Gerry because he’s part of the family. How about evaluate the man, the record the coaching. Stop the BS if Schertz is available ok not my choice but I understand. If not Gmac fill the dome.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Ok Vandy out.

We can hire Byington now.

Discuss...

Why leave Vandy? SEC money! Tennessee weather and taxes!

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I very much want Schertz and would prefer others over Gerry, and part of the reason is I don't want to burn Gerry as an option this early in his career. I'd rather he get the chance down the line. But if they hire him now, we'll all be rooting for him. I can't imagine anyone here doesn't want to win and doesn't love the idea of Gerry taking us back to the promised land and spending a couple decades here.

But you shouldn't make these kinds of program-defining decisions with your heart.

If passed over again, I highly doubt he’d consider SU at anytime in the future. Them man’s not a side piece you can go to whenever you need him.

 

[TheHaze315]

Whatever mod deleted my joke about a Mike Hopkins and Felisha Legette Jack coaching search:

 

[VikesCuse84]

Why leave Vandy? SEC money! Tennessee weather and taxes!

Don’t know the reason, but rumor is he wants out of Vandy

 

[elimunelson]

If we're being honest, one of the reasons many of us don't want Gmac is we don't want JB getting his way yet again.

Im no JAB absolutist. But he kinda has been part of literally every single good moment as well in SU Hoops history.

We catastrophize everything but I do trust JAB to know what worked when he was humming. Game has changed away from the game but he did win a lot and consistently.

one thing that worries me w an outsider is the red hot spot of being a Syracuse coach vs a st Louis or USF coach. Those programs do not matter. Syracuse matters and we need someone to realize the pressure cooker on day 1

Gmac to me will know this. Nothing is guaranteed here but I like my chances w a guy who has won at every level and looks like he wants a fight every day of life

 

[Irishsecra1]

If this drags out much longer and GMAC feels he is being strung along and jerked around, he may just say the hell with it and withdraw his name from consideration and just stay at Siena for another year.
They will have an absolutely incredible team in the MAAC barring more injuries.
If that happens, we are probably losing a hell of a lot of NIL.
At that point, BB better land a really good coach and find a way to replace some of that NIL.

 

[Blanko97]

The close loss isn’t the accomplishment though. Out-coaching Jon Scheyer so hard he admitted it on national TV is.

Sure he admitted it on television, he won! You can be very complimentary of the other team when you still win the game.

 

[oldpinepoint]

Im no JAB absolutist. But he kinda has been part of literally every single good moment as well in SU Hoops history.

We catastrophize everything but I do trust JAB to know what worked when he was humming. Game has changed away from the game but he did win a lot and consistently.

one thing that worries me w an outsider is the red hot spot of being a Syracuse coach vs a st Louis or USF coach. Those programs do not matter. Syracuse matters and we need someone to realize the pressure cooker on day 1

Gmac to me will know this. Nothing is guaranteed here but I like my chances w a guy who has won at every level and looks like he wants a fight every day of life

I trust JB from 15 years ago, not now. Decision alone should be BB. If he hires Gmac because he’s the best coach then fine, but otherwise JB should butt out. If this mess is going on and I was Gmac why would I want this job if I know I’m not the top candidate. It’s a mess. If BB can’t make his own decisions I wouldn’t be surprised if he leaves in a year.

 

[2B20Again]

Where am I knocking his accomplishments? Literally listing what he has done. The reality of it is, if he didn’t play at Syracuse NOBODY would think his track record is enough to be tasked with the Syracuse job and rebuilding this program/brand.

Really got an interview BC GTech. But he wants more. Come home.

 

[Blanko97]

It's the context of the loss. If a random teenager got into a street fight with Mike Tyson in the late 1980s and somehow knocked him down, that'd been newsworthy. Not the best analogy but you get the point...

I think the context of the loss is that sometimes underdogs over perform.

 

[TheCusian]

The one thing I cannot stand that’s percolating through former players, Julie, etc - is the notion of keeping it in the family or that there’s a “Syracuse way”

There’s only been JAB and then we kept it in the family and it sucked.

There’s no “this is how we do it” … the one time we did it the way they are advocating, it got us here

I’m all in on getting the best available HC (and maybe that’s Gerry) but can we please dispense with the JAB ego propping