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Message: [QUOTE="Alsacs, post: 160815, member: 652"] Notre Dame isn't good by any means, but according to bracket "expert" and I use expert loosely Joe Lunardi Notre Dame is only in the first 4 out. So they aren't like losing to Providence or Rutgers. However, Florida State is the classic Jekyll and Hide team they have lost to Harvard, Princeton at home, and Clemson by 20 and beat an overrated North Carolina team who doesn't play defense and had probably the best win by any team this year in winning at Duke. [/QUOTE]